Thread regarding SAP layoffs

The state of neglect and corruption in the ECS organization is now complete in 2026. Processes are left unchecked, with no governance, and no one seems to care anymore—either about the customers or about SAP itself. The few roles that still barely function, such as the CDM and TSM, are forced to act as corporate dumping grounds, absorbing the irresponsibility of the rest of the organization in front of the customer, while others hide behind the massive corporate firewall, laughing. No investment in the people however managers at all levels have effectively and officially abandoned their basic duties, yet they continue to collect their paychecks. Their main concern now seems to be maintaining budgets to preserve power after the reorganization, along with their travel privileges. Unfortunately, this is an insane level of dysfunction with no way back—a clear symptom of a corrupt executive organization reflected across all board areas.

Chuck does not need AI.

Every IT system automatically bows to his will.

@hz Most of the SAP AI tools are terrible and seem to know nothing about SAP tools, processes, or software. Genuinely I get better results on GOOGLE than using the "SAP GenAI XL" tool.

There is one that appears to actually be trained on the internal knowledge and be semi-decent and it is called "EKX" (I think it stands for Enterprise Knowledge Experience). You will find it if you search the portal.

For some reason It cannot properly hyperlink references/citations though... It just links them to a useless web-graph thing every time that shows like the data nodes it searched... like I say, useless. Like anything SAP make, even if something is close to functional there has to be a huge flaw and a baffling design choice.

@b9 Even Oracle are getting their product better than SAP now. The only thing keeping SAP alive is vendor lock-in. Currently the mega-corp customers look at the "cost" of moving away from SAP to a better software as too much, so they just stay because they have to. But this is changing, as customers are realising the bad product, and huge cost, with no added value, is eating their longterm profit margin. They are seeing that a costly migration project that will take 5-10 years, will pay off in the long run. Salesforce, Workday, Oracle, and even smaller competitors already offer more value by avoiding two major things that SAP can never escape:

1. The SAP ecosystem (consultants, partners, CSMs, TQMs, agents, indecipherible acronyms and sub-groups and departments that all seem identical but none of them do anything, etc.)
2. Absolutely DOG SH-TE SOFTWARE. I've been here for years and worked across multiple different products, both cloud and on-prem, and across the market segments... ALL of it is terrible. Inexplicable UX, no UI consistency, nonsensical workflow, horrific performance... Nobody in their right mind is choosing SAP, they're stuck with it because someone else chose it 30 years ago.

@k7 thank you for the stupidest thing I’ve read today. You truly are a mo--n and I hope you get sick from your raw milk and inhaling chemicals from contrails

@gw I don't see any far reaching right wing talking points here. I only see people suggesting that we focus on job-related metrics when hiring. If you think that makes somebody a "nutcase" then you're probably on the extreme left. Moderate Democrats typically agree that DEI was, at the least, an over correction.

In the States we have Antifa setting up check points so that they know who is coming in and out of their "sanctuary" neighborhoods to protest check points so we know who is coming in and out of the state.

If you can take an honest, objective look at the political landscape today and you still cling only to the issues on the Right then you might be re--rded.

What does Chuck think about all of this?

@gj how do you (Singular and /or multiple sense of the word), have the inclination and time to troll this entire site? Maybe, the tossersphere is no longer fulfilling your need(s) & you feel that your splenetic, antiquated, and disgusting viewpoint(s) should be used to annoy and frustrate people that are very concerned about losing their jobs?

PS: Just wait until your mom(s) find out about your online exploits……Now, I know you are 35, but you are also jobless, broke, living in her / their house(s) & her / their money pays for your tube socks, lotion and cheetos. I’m thinking there are groundings in you future(s).

@hz It works like a basic search engine. Anything above that is doozy and useless.

Does the SAP AI work at all? I've recently tried the internal one(s) a couple of times but they couldn't even answer anything SAP related or started to hallucinate.

I'd expect them to be trained foremost on SAP materials and be an expert on SAP and products. :/

It was quite disappointing but I didn't care, I don't pay for it, unlike the customers...

@gj Nike faces federal probe over allegations of ‘DEI-related’ discrimination against white workers. I guess SAP is next.

@gp @gj Oh, I see the low-life rightwing nut cases have found the forum again.

Why don't you just simply bu---r off? Your drivel is not needed here. Not at all.

In the US SAP offices, DEI is the biggest problem. They are actually replacing whites with asians.
2020: White 63.0% and Asian 23.7%
2021: White 62.2% and Asian 25.3%
2022: White 60.7% and Asian 25.3%
2023: White 58.9% and Asian 26.0%
2024: White 55.9% and Asian 27.9%

MAGA should report this to the administration so there are some real consequences for the great replacement. The data is publicly available.
https://www.sap.com/integrated-reports/2024/en/datahub/social-data/equality-metrics.html

In Germany it is worse but not reported. If you go to any SAP office all you see are Indians taking over our jobs. There is a higher percentage of Indians at SAP than other German companies. There is a higher percentage of Indians at SAP than in Germany. There is a higher percentage of Indians at SAP than in Europe. And Christian Klein committed to adding 15000 jobs in India! DEI is a problem. All immigrants should be remigrated. Then SAP would not need to lay off anyone.

There is a rumor that Chuck is disappointed in the board.

Loretta’s woke cost cutting rampage cut too deep. It’s showing up in the revenue data like a heart attack on an ekg monitor.

They’re pushing her to the side and going back to the chalkboard.

I hear shes joining teflon Lloyd over at MS shortly anyway.

…flush.. next!!

Blaming the investment community relieves CK and DA from taking any responsibility for the sinking share price. The AI bubble is bursting, CCB is slowing and fees from maintenance revenue is also shrinking. It’s all so predictable. There’s no strategy to reverse the trend, RISE opportunities are drying up and no mid size company can afford SAP. So what incredible new innovation will reverse the trend and get existing customers to buy more , or attract new customers? No one knows. Back to the well - share buybacks and layoffs. It’s not going to get better folks.

@dt People can pretend like this response is inappropriate, intolerant, or whatever but he has a point. DEI is quite literally designed to replace the primary hiring metrics like education and experience with a superficial ones like race and gender. It only hikds weight to those who refuse to question it.

It seems recently appointed ECS head based in USA is a H/L1 visa holder. seems lack of talent for native us persons.( seems like inner circle promotion), may be c norris can share more insights

Peter Thiel should be in prison for his links to the Israel files released this week. Hopefully we will be soon. He's a monster.

@df The board and the rest of the company has a DEI issue. If we had less DEI, the company would perform much much better. Dominic Asam is trying but these immigrants and DEI candidates aren't leaving. So SAP is punishing the rest of us with bad salary appraisals. I wish we could do in Germany what our brothers and sisters are doing in the US right now. That would fix a lot of problems.

@ck Misogyny ? really ? SAP have a long and unsuccessful tradition of appointing females to the HR role (bring back Claus Heinrich, it went downhill from there). But do you really think Gina is where she there as a token female ?

SAP said no to millions in government contracts because they wanted to use EU company data centers. SAP said no and only offered EU data centers from Microsoft Azure or AWS. This is not just bad business, it's malice towards the company profit and growth. No one is asking why SAP does not want to support European governments decouple from the US. Don't be surprised if SAP loses some government contracts over it.

So much misogyny in the executive board. There is only one woman and she only exists because she does their bidding without complaining. And yet they want her out because they see her as a DEI candidate.

There is an easy solution for increasing the share price.

1. Make AI a long-term play and reduce investment in it. Focus on AI topics that deliver value and not on marketing material topics.
2. Go back to the roots to increase Cloud Backlog. Invest heavily to increase cloud backlog. This should be the number 1 priority.
3. Europe has made some deals with other countries. Diversify in other regions as SAP services are cheaper now due to free trade agreements.
4. Double down on tweaking products to cater additional industries such as airlines, HR businesses, law firms, restaurant chains, etc. Go after mid market and not just the large corporate.
5. Stop the bull5hit talk about layoffs and instead focus on using the expertise and retraining existing employees. Increase pay parity between the T levels and executives so. Increase salaries and benefits to make it a nicer place to work so we can attract talent that is leaving other companies at the moment.
6. Increase sales and support across the globe to provide 24/7 service.
7. Stop lame acquisitions and artificial pumping of the share price using buybacks. Build, don't buy.
8. Focus heavily on creating the features customers have been asking for years.

And for the love of God, get rid of so many HRBPs.

Why won't the management do this? Because it's against their ego to actually accept that they are wrong. And because it takes ba--s to do this. And because CK and DA are beholden to their friends in the US no matter what - SAP is following the US tech bros and couple tightly with the US while the rest of Europe is trying to decouple and diversify. CK would rather sink the company to make a quick buck than invest in something long term.

@cd The crucial word in your posting is „seem“.

You really must be new at SAP. They might look good on stage, but once you focus on what they say, you realize that there is not much in the sense of reasonable content.

Smoke and mirrors while looking good. That is the current board.

I know I do not have the experience that others have at SAP, but I was very impressed with the board in the kick-off meeting yesterday. They seem great.

If executives are getting their bonuses as stock this time, it makes sense that they would try to drive the share price down now and then up later. It’s always about money.

The only thing saving SAP is that Oracle is more messed up.

Should they ever get their act together, seems will seem liked the ‘good old days’.

@ah even if it leaks out that Demonik Asam (I like his new nickname haha) is calling analysts stupid, it won’t change anything. He’s untouchable and has full support of Christian Klein. And they have full support of the executive board. More than half the company gave them a favorable rating in unfiltered after Demonik Asam equated employees to tooth plaque. That was so insulting. Everyone in my team voted for trust in management because they think he saved Airbus during Covid and he’s going to make SAP great again.

The share price dropped by 30% in the last 6 months. The only solutions that Christian Klein and Dominik Asam have are share buybacks and layoffs. And now they have the audacity to blame investors and employees for this debacle? What a joke!

I left the company already but I’m not sure why you all are putting up with it. Go on a general strike ffs till they have a real plan to fix this. Why are you encouraging this behavior by giving them millions in bonuses?

I can't tell you the last time I worked with a happy customer. I'm in support and even when I have a really good experience with a customer they complain about the software and our confusing company structure. I used to stick up for the company. Then I started telling customers to talk to their account contacts because management doesn't listen to us. Now I realize that management will just blame us no matter what customer contacts say. They are incapable of taking accountability. I used to think they were just out of touch but now I think that they know what insufferable pricks they are and that they just don't care.

Things like "employee health," "customer satisfaction," "work / life balance," and so on are nothing more than campaign slogans these self centered, out of touch a--holes use to gain support from people who get by by going through the motions.

But investment bankers are stupid...they set price targets, recommend buy and sell directions for institutional wholesale and retail investors, and end up missing or being wrong with many of them anyway. They are the ones dictating a large amount of money that gets invested into a company which jacks up the stock price. If they say SAP is a sell, stock price falls. That's who stock markets work.

@af Can you repeat in your native language, thanks

Maybe DA’s comment about -1 or 2 analysts are too stupid to know……leaks out?
I will say that the level of blame - shifting, minimisation of problems, hyperbole around all things AI, general obfuscation, and disregard for the intelligence of employees are all off the charts! They set the bar at basement - level and just limboed right under it!

If you have lived in Germany you would know why they talk this way. Sorry to say but ck waiting someone to do his job, Bill made a lot for sap, since then no one knows what and why

@a4 No

Where it mentioned layoff ??