Thread regarding IBM layoffs

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I’ve noticed a significant number of new-hire announcements (easily over 50) on LinkedIn, yet one demographic is noticeably absent.

@13g
That might be true for some cases, but not for me. If I overestimated my abilities, wouldn't it make sense for a team lead to make sure that I received all the resources necessary so that I could succeed? Instead, I had team leads "forget" to give me these resources on numerous occasions, and instead I was given them by technical teams.
And yet, this team lead would constantly ask me to be on projects with him, then take credit for my work. Doesn't sound like I was overestimating my abilities. It sounds to me like he didn't want me to succeed independently.

What will be the demographics on this next one about to kick off?

Def Met team has god like talents

@121 The counter argument is younger talents tend to overestimate their capabilities and performance is not commensurate with attitude -- Dunning-Kruger is real. The 1st or 2nd level manager is pushed by upper mgmt to grow and utilize young talent but at the same time is also responsible for deadlines. He/she realizes that the expectation is to train younger talent to replace experienced talent in future but the project is doomed unless experienced talent is properly utilized and incentivized. Managers do their best to balance the requirements for project success wrt the interests of upper mgmt, which can be unrealistic. The best experienced employees usually quit, they always have options...

@yv

Having competent, talented non-technical leads is still important at a tech company. The issue is that IBM tends to promote people who are very good at marketing themselves, are friends with the manager, or who have been at the company for awhile -- as you can see, these aren't great qualities for a team lead to have.

In my experience, my team leads were very insecure (constant layoffs will do that to you) and were intimidated by younger, more ambitious people. These team leads withheld resources or they would not set you up for success in some other way -- essentially making it very hard for you to succeed because they didn't want you to overshadow them. I actually had more help from teams outside of my own. Imagine that -- that you get more help from outside of your immediate department than your own team lead because they're insecure.

@zc 100k applies only to new visa applications, not for renewals

@ry Correlation does not equal causation. Nvidia is mainly asian and south asian and is worth 4.3T. By your logic, for IBM to go from 107B-->4T, it should become predominantly asian, which is absurd. It is really disappointing to see people make silly arguments that do not further their own interests. IBMers, being invested in their company, should have a rational discussions on what went wrong instead of making tribal nonsensical arguments. Anyway, hope AK does some good or passes the baton to someone deserving.

At my site visa holders were let go as well as part of the layoff as the company didn’t want to pay $100,000 to renew Them

Were any visa holders let go in last RA? Was it all Americans?

@we That is the point. If tech teams are so good, why do non-tech people get promoted to leadership?

@m6
the majority shareholder installs the CEO
who is the majority shareholder
now do other companies like Micron, Qualcomm, ...
you will see a pattern

@wd

Not in my experience at IBM, sorry that you had sh---y managers. My managers can't really take credit for my work, because they'd have to be doing my exact work, genius. And in my experience, I've always been pretty well-compensated and recognized for work that I've done.
And when I mean peers, I mean non-technical team leads who literally did nothing but put on meaningless presentations and meetings to appear like they're working and continue to collect a paycheque. The worst part of being led by them was having to pretend that they were as smart as they thought they were. Literally some of the worst leaders that I have ever had.

My actual peers were just fine and technical teams at IBM were pretty solid. As soon as you get into the more senior positions for ICs however...ugh.

@r6:
"I had to "hide" from my peers until I could share with my managers, because I knew my peers would try to take credit for my work."
Your useless manager takes credit for your work as well as the useless id1ts above him to the top clown.

Let's not forget IBM reached 107 billion due to the whites. After the Asians came it stared to burn like the Cali fires. Sell your stock as fast as possible if you are white. Do it asap

This is interesting because I have seen my fair share of mediocre people at IBM who can only speak 1 language - English - and they can barely spell or write, yet somehow they're holding communication / literacy-heavy jobs?

Also, at IBM, I have never experienced more people who will try to take and glom onto ANY work deliverable that you do. I never seen people more willing to take credit for work that they didn't do than at IBM. Absolutely insane how much work I had to "hide" from my peers until I could share with my managers, because I knew my peers would try to take credit for my work.

Insane amount of laziness and entitlement at IBM for a company that doesn't have a lot of talent, tbh.

@g8 This is true. The edict to outsource comes straight from the top -- activist investors who take control of the board and practice vulture capitalism -- 99% white men. Take over, inflate, hack, sell pieces, make a return, move on.

@m6 Like Pichai and Nadella? Like Adobe, youtube. chanel? Stop these useless deflections. Be honest and ask why has IBM sliding into irrelevance for the last four decades. What has been IBM's vision? Why is it relevant?

@a8 This is not unique to IBM. Check the average age of any tech company including Nvidia, it will be ~29--34yrs. Ageism in tech is common and has nothing to do with ethnicity.

I don't know what IBM makes or does as I work in semiconductors. All I know is IBM was in decline even in the late 90's when I finished grad school. I interfaced with the Fishkill fab in the early 2000s and was disappointed with the attitude I encountered. IBM wanted to be a foundry but behaved as if it was the boss of its potential customers. The arrogant attitude was I am IBM, you listen to me, although I need your business. The partnership with my company fell through and we went with a Taiwan fab. Morale was low as there were layoffs in the fab and the myth of lifetime employment had burst.

Full disclosure: I am of Indian origin, I am sure some taco heads will call me a Jeet and applaud their own smartness.

For others interested in a more serious dialogue, I am truly curious as to what IBM brings to any ecosystem software or hardware? What would happen if IBM disappeared tomorrow? Would the world notice?

The funny thing is over the years I used to receive resume requests from IBM recruiters for back office IT job despite my having no software or IT background and having a PhD in semiconductors, because of my Indian name. From the job descriptions, it looked like IBM had become a back office service company like India's Wipro or Infosys and really did not make a viable product.

Finally, the irony is, in the late 90s the definitive textbook on semiconductor devices was by Yuan Taur and Tak Ning both ex-IBM -- I took a graduate course based on their book and loved it.

This company is going to disappear in bankruptcy. It is obsolete and on the way to its grave. No American company pre 1990 will put a India ceo. Post 2000 any India ceo, bankruptcy is a sure thing

@d8
it gives an indication who has power in this country
it is the group of people that sit above alvind's kind

@d5
It’s funny how they really were yet nothing really happened

Alvind and his pipmunks were caught on tape being r@cist sc*m

OP must be referring to something that happened at IBM a few years ago. The craze to promote women and minorities over white males no longer exists at IBM. Mainly because there aren't many Black or White employees left. The company is almost entirely Indian now. The current discrimination is more caste/language based within that demographic.

@am
the cultures are not compatible
and they have produced no evidence that they can create an advanced civilization on their own

@ae
or south america

How many H1B visa folks were let go in the last RA?

@a7

From the article :
“Discrimination of any kind is not tolerated by IBM and is entirely inconsistent with our culture and values,” the spokesperson said.

Oh really ?? You mean some IBM executives really follow those BCGs (Business Conduct Guidelines) ? Who are you IBM crooks kidding ? Every time an IBM US employee is laid off and an Indian is replacing him / her, it is blatant discrimination even though IBM say's that it is moving the job to a lower cost country. How come the jobs are not moving from India to say Egypt or even Somalia ? Why do the jobs have to stay only in India ?

They have to just release ages of people in positions eliminated vs retained

They will never release it in a million years. They know it will look very bad

SMH. https://afrotech.com/ibm-fired-black-executive-anti-dei-push-lawsuit