Why are there Lead Directors and Senior Managers that have no one under them in their org chart? If you’re neither “directing” someone or “managing” someone, it actually makes no sense—per the definition of those words—to have that title.
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The trick is to get into the 400 roles. Outside of credentialed roles, you do less than the work of 100 level equivalent 1.5x the pay.
Top heavy is an understatement
Opinion: People with "manager" or "director" in their job title and 0 direct reports should be laid off!
There are staff who have salary levels comparable to some with direct reports due to their high level of expertise and experience. They may have director and senior manager titles.
I'm a 109, I was an advisor, then they changed me to a manager(IC), then I was transferred to another tower, now a Sr Security Engineer, all 109. Like some of the other posts, I work on a team with people doing the same job but making more as 110's.... no rhyme or reason. Need a miracle to bump up, or apply for a 110 internally, or threaten to leave to get a bump, kind of ridiculous.
@OP That place is so top heavy with do-nothing management who do nothing but lay off people that actually do something and provide value. The ones with no direct reports were hired to polish the knob of the person hiring them. It's that simple. I've forgotten more stuff than most of the management will ever know. Some of them say nothing on meetings because they have no clue how anything works, then after the meeting they use chatgpt to find the answers, then they cut and paste it into an email and send it out as though they even understand that and pass it off as their own "brilliance". This company is a train wreck of incompetence waiting to happen. Knowing you're reporting to an id--t with a larger salary than you with no actual skills is soul su-king. I love it when I see them shown the door.
The individual contributor grade 109 position was previously titled "Advisor" and grade 110 "Sr. Advisor" They seem to moving away from those titles and just use manager and Sr. Manager now for them. You occasionally do see advisor used in some rolls so keep that in mind when internally job searching.
Nailed it.
There are different job grades for managers and directors. Some of the grades allow for direct reports and some don't. I am a senior manager with no direct reports and have 5-6 directors on my team that also do not have direct reports. I cannot work under those directors but work as a teammate doing the same work for less pay.
@aa+1k8prpcte I am a manager IC and this is basically my job as well.
Manager IC here. I may not manage people directly, but I manage several high-visibility programs and a large chunk of that is influencing others at or over my pay grade without having any authority over them in order to accomplish my program goals. Which is arguably more difficult than managing people reporting directly to into me, which I’ve also done in the past, and requires a different set of skills that not all possess.
Because they were friends with the Exec Dir...or a relative of a higher up.
As a former SM who did the work of a Dir but had no directs it was based on salary tiers.
There are roles and responsibilities that require a high capability IC. It's not entirely their fault that we do not have Principal and Distinguished titles outside engineering. So they are stuck with Mgr/Dir titles.
Having said that, there are people that do not have any reports and have Mgr/Dir title but are not really doing that high value work.
It is a Org definition problem where ICs and Managers are assigned the same title in the HR system.
@OP Exactly and I would ask….what would you say…ya do here?? Seems like our Senior Manager onsite was MIA all summer working from home.