Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Who signs off on things here

Ford has sunk millions (and sometimes billions) into initiatives like Model e / FNV4, Ford Next, Canopy, and FordLabs, and what’s becoming increasingly clear is a repeated pattern: massive spending, vague execution, questionable hires or partnerships, and little to no lasting impact.

How do these projects keep getting approved? Who’s actually making the strategic calls? Who signs off on these black-box initiatives, the hiring, the vendors, the direction? The execution feels disconnected from reality. Where’s the accountability for these profound strategic missteps? What oversight exists? I don't understand: is it the board, the CEO, product leads, entire leadership chains, external partners, etc.? Is there an internal innovation council or P&L division that says money is for X and Y but not Z? Is there gatekeeping? Is it greed? Kickbacks? Special vendor relationships that lock us?

Who handles HR and talent acquisition? Did we just bring senior roles with high pay and unclear mandates in the name of innovation? Are our analysts in an ivory tower, not understanding the fundamentals and easily fooled? How come we need so much money to build and do things, and why are we cheap in places that matter? Is it a circular talent problem? Where does the actual money end up being spent? Who is hoarding it? Is it money laundering? Do special committees lack deep domain knowledge? I can't wrap my head around this.

Do executives rotate out before results materialize, or are they promoted elsewhere or hired externally? Does the Media & PR shape the story far more than the product teams? Is the company under existential pressure to look like they're innovating? Why does Ford's structure allow it? Is it due to consultants with strategy decks without deep product execution knowledge? How does HR acquire talent and also place them accordingly? Do we have executive recruiters with vague job specs that drag and drop people like a menial task? Is it because of the whole "who we know" bit which bypasses procurement for strategic partners to add to the reliance on market signaling?

Do we have a siloed org structure that breeds "mini-empires"? Do we have experts that may be downplaying other experts that may threaten an empire? Is talent held back, or perceived as going rogue for initiative and being vocal? Do things repeat because we have an inability to absorb failure lessons due to quietly folding concerns under the rug instead of facing humility and accountability? Did we really bask in what a startup mindset really means? Milchmädchenrechnung?

I really want to hear the rationale behind decisions in such a historic company competing in the now. Are we structurally incapable of absorbing new insight without breaking internal equilibrium? Is it from gov bailouts and subsidies that enable mistakes to continue, compelled through lobbying packets written by "independent" parties? Are people with real execution power and holistic domain knowledge not looped into the work?

Do we suffer with watered down layers of middle management or political handlers? Is it relationship over merit that requires tribal alignment when presenting accurate feedback or data to prevent it from being rejected if it comes from "outside the circle"? Do we monitor sabotage behavior, and do we enable it or step in and put our foot down? Is it ego over mission, where elevation itself upsets social balance and as an org we are unable to cut through biases? Are these divisions, projects, and products "moonshots," as in high risk but necessary for survival, yet poorly executed?

I'm not asking for the benefit of Ford, but to deeply understand and learn from what is going on in this company, I know trolls will come or bash execs and blanket it all, but I'm checking to see angles I may be missing here. Interested in any sort insight for my own education because I don't know what I don't know. Managing the unknown in my case-study. Thanks.


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MEDC and the Democratic party

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Post ID: @16v+1k5py0vsz

@a5 did CM travel the world enough to figure out why F150s are stolen so often? If anyone should be laid off it’s him, the lack of accountability for performance here is astounding.

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Post ID: @10b+1k5py0vsz

@ra Right on. You get it, I don't feel psychologically safe in the office anymore for those reasons and others (oddly some of the other things discussed on this site come with a resemblance to my situation). I don't understand why others would feel psychologically unsafe though, what happened to me must be rare? I don't know, I'm a good person, and that's why I'm trying not to let things bother me as much as I have in the past, let them think what they want, I know me and that's good for me. I know that sounds like babble, trying not to care. That said, I try not to overshare in the office, and do stay quiet, so I'm not sure I fit that description.

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Post ID: @rf+1k5py0vsz

@r8 Organizational behavior research shows that employees who overshare without psychological safety may become vulnerable to gossip, exclusion, or exploitation. That is why you need to check to see if there is psychological safety at Ford. Is there anything left unchecked here? Could you find a situation unresolved?

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Post ID: @ra+1k5py0vsz

@r8 Hey, i'm happy to hear that for you. I was looking for a people-centric environment and put that note out into the open for anyone listening, I think the wrong people listened. People matter, and the scariest people are ones that say they do, but don't mean it. Maybe I didn't have the right impression management to be treated like a human. I'm glad you had a better experience here though, genuinely. Mixing personal and professional was tough because they knew my life my schedule or how far they could push boundaries... you should just take it slow first and pick up on small signs. Sometimes we might feel safe early on and get fooled later on. Sometimes we don't even realize it. If you look at comments on this forum, you'll see coded language throughout, intentionally to dog whistle and bully people covertly. I guess my best advice to you is just pay attention and don't give unless you know for sure that it's safe. Think of relationships at Ford for like Bitcoin's topology. It's peer-to-peer... no central bank to help dispute transactions. If something happens, know take backs. Treat your personal life like a currency where the transactions are irreversible. Only give what you're willing to lose. I'm not saying you'll lose it, the keyword is "willing".

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Post ID: @r9+1k5py0vsz

@ee I’m still focusing on people, I haven’t given up, there are decent people here. If I’m honest I’ve always been afraid to be close with people in the office, not wanting to mix personal with professional…. But really, who cares is my new thought, when I’m done here I’d like to walk out with a few friends still with me. In a scary world ford does a decent job of only letting mostly decent ones in. But the point still rings true, people matter, this place really doesn’t, the culture and productivity/innovation come with people coming first.

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Post ID: @r8+1k5py0vsz

@kb Stolen valor can look real to a large group of untrained eyes. Now, think about the minority.

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Post ID: @r7+1k5py0vsz

There are three raccoons in a blazer that seems to be barking orders that everyone blindly follows. The blazer still looks tight.

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Post ID: @kb+1k5py0vsz

Ford goes all in on BEV, fires 2/3 of ICE powertrain engineering. Loses 15 billion on BEVs and counting, cancels and delays BEVs, cancels the edge, now cancels the Escape. Incredible mismanagement by Billy and Fartley.

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Post ID: @ft+1k5py0vsz

@ex No, sorry, I'm not caught up on past lore. Just to clarify, you're saying it helped justify Ford forcing FLV's exit? Does this mean one can infer that Ford was behind the press-run covertly? Not saying definitively, but plausible. Why did Ford want FLV out? Or did they not want them out...? Sorry for the confusing questions. I will be looking this stuff up though because i'm curious... that is interesting. I thought it was a troll comment.

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Post ID: @es+1k5py0vsz

Did you not see the numerous local Detroit news stories sensationalizing FLV's private matters? That was done to facilitate Ford forcing his exit from the company. Thus, irreparable harming Canopy.

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Post ID: @ex+1k5py0vsz

@es when someone writes drivel (gooogle it) like that I doubt they will defend it

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Post ID: @ev+1k5py0vsz

@en Explain how and why the media sabotaged Canopy? Why would they care? If that was true, why doesn't Ford get a big check from them? Sounds illegal. Is FLV behind Canopy? They left on their own terms? Or did they get released? Ford doesn't seem like a safe place to work, lots of enemies and cut-throat it seems. I don't want to be sabotaged or destroyed trying to do good work. Sounds like career su----e!

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Post ID: @es+1k5py0vsz

Come on, everyone knows Canopy was indirectly sabotaged by the media by causing FLV to leave the company. Fact.

Second, the bleeding from FNV4 was stopped by DF and his correct decision to cut it loose at the right time before serious money was sunk into it.

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Post ID: @en+1k5py0vsz

@dq Yes!!! I had a wonderful time. Thank you. And exactly, no more building bridges with people/companies/entities that burn them is the motto.

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Post ID: @ee+1k5py0vsz

@dc Remember Jac Nassar? Billy has a great track record of picking CEO's. Think!, Quick Fit, palladium futures, overpaid for Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Volvo only to sell for pennies of the dollar to benefit our competitors. I wonder what these debacles would cost in today's dollars. Later we had failed collaborations with Google & Rivian. Whatever happened with the shared work with Toyota on drivetrain systems? How's the battery plant in Marshall Michigan doing? The Atlanta Georgia plant was one of Ford Motor Co's most efficient plants so we closed it, along with Norfolk Virginia. Are the shared platforms with VW working out? How many times has the PDC campus been changed? Europe has been a disaster. Spun off Visteon only to bring back some departments back to Ford. Ford employees deserve better.

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Post ID: @dx+1k5py0vsz

@dh sounds like a nice trip, that’s what life is really about, not this place…

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Post ID: @dq+1k5py0vsz

@dc
Picture this:
The year is 2024. You’re in a foreign country, land of glaciers and lava fields.
Out of nowhere, a mysterious New Yorker guides you to a hot dog stand, one with presidential folklore attached. You take a photo where Bill Clinton once stood, and locals talk about him like he’s some kind of mythological figure. You're in this cold, volcanic country, standing at this tiny cart, being told:

“This is where President Bill Clinton stood".

Then the realization hits you, like the bite of cold wind:
There’s no “The Ford” here. Or anywhere. Even back home.
No story. No plaque. No menu item. No myth.
He doesn’t even have a mustard-only hot dog.

Perhaps I'm wrong.
Does Bill Ford have any kind of cultural imprint like that in the Motor City? Noise doesn't count.

Because for a man who inherited a piece of Americana itself, he left less of a trace to my generation than a mustard stain from a president on vacation.

When it was my turn for vacation, I didn’t just pass by some hot dog stand. I visited a cultural monument, disguised as fast food. I accepted the quest from a random New Yorker, someone who’s probably walked past a thousand hot dog stands back home, yet she told me:

“This one matters".
She was right. It was essential to my journey.

That’s when I understood:
This is what it means to leave a mark.

Will Bill Ford ever come to this same site?
Will he stand where Clinton stood?
Will he accept the quest and feel this same spiritual awakening?

100% true story.

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Post ID: @dh+1k5py0vsz

@OP Short answer... Bill Ford. He may be a "nice guy", but can not manage a hot dog stand, even less this company. He almost ki-led the company in 2000-2005, and is doing it again now.

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Post ID: @dc+1k5py0vsz

All the money for that stuff went to the grifter friends of the Board, which is where it was intended to go.

It doesn't matter if none of it works. The money was distributed as planned.

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Post ID: @ar+1k5py0vsz

In less than two years, Canopy alone cost over $200 million and achieved nothing but unhappy “beta testers.” But CM is still here, demoted from CEO to General Manager of something or other related to having laid off all the engineers who knew how to make door locks that kept intruders out of vehicles.

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Post ID: @a5+1k5py0vsz

"Fu-kkkk no problem... Team I need a logic tree to justify further government support to our struggling client."

"who are they sir?"

"Ford"

"Fu-kkkk, everyone hates Ford!

"Yes but they must have something good....."

"No, cars are no good, I don't know anyone driving a Ford these days...I mean my gran dad had a pick up..."

"Pull up anything we have on that pick up"

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Post ID: @a2+1k5py0vsz

https://mitsloan.mit.edu/sites/default/files/2025-06/Ford%20Model%20E.pdf

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/ford-motor

https://www.scribd.com/document/738313249/Boston-Consulting-Group-Report

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/37996/000110465924040871/tm2318496-d4_def14a.htm

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