We used to hire from tier 1 eng schools. What’s going on with all these new hires from Texas tech, LSU, etc? Even tier 2 like TAMU is declining…
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@ae this right here!
@p3 Bill Gates, like most of these college dropout “success stories” was already well-off. I would not recommend this for the average working/middle class college student doing a part time job and using FAFSA to attend a state school.
Other than that, I agree with you.
The data doesn’t support recruiting from the tier one schools. Sadly many of the schools we should recruit from have been cut due to VPs picking their Alma matter, DEI push, and plain old bigotry. It is laughable that we say we make data driven decisions.
@p3 bill gates dropped out of Harvard. You better give me examples who dropped out of Texas tech…
As long as the school is accredited, should not judge a person by their alma mater or whether they have specific labels attached to their title (phD, MBA, etc.). For example, Bill Gates does not have a college degree but he is one of those exceptional people.
Young people mature differently and at their own pace. Seems absurd that one judge the capability of a person based on their high school achievement and their family’s financial ability to get them into “prestigious” universities.
How about judging a person based on their merits rather than showmanship, optics, and political connections.
@mn People spend 4+ years going to college so that they don’t have to swing hammers in 120 degree heat for 8hrs/day.
Knowledge work is real work. We just use our brains instead of our bodies. If you don’t like that, go back to school.
Tier 1 students not interested in going to Midland. They only want to be desk jockeys in Houston. After 5 years in a real job (vs desk job) working with field people, they are way better than the person who only pushes paper. Your education in oil and gas starts after you graduate.
@fd If the they’re ABET accredited its same curriculum anyway.
All an engineer really needs to do in a company as large and bureaucratic as Exxon is maintain documentation, follow established processes, and run some simple calculations. I know a lot of you guys think you’re the elite of the world of applied science, but in truth there isn’t much more to any corporate engineering job than what I described.
If you want to do cutting-edge engineering, go to a well-funded research university or start-up.
@aa what is BTC?
LSU, KSU, OSU, Savitri Phulebai University, Anna (malai) University, ICT (UDCT) produce some of the most worthless engineers.
Race to the bottom. I no longer recognize this company that I joined decades ago.
Good luck to those sticking with it.
The discovery, development, and deployment (what we called TD3 in EMRE several decades ago) no longer needs Tier 1 university level upstream geologist, geoscientist, petroleum engineers....etc.).
Extracting oil and gas is a "commodity' and we seldom discover new step out technology. Yes, we have incremental gains in efficiency, supply chain improvements...etc. but they are incremental.
If you do the math on the "incremental gains" in ExxonMobil, we discover that the NPV is ZERO or NEGATIVE NPV because we spend alot of internal $$$ bedore we ever see the incremental efficiencies. We could have easily purchased the incremental gains from a 3rd party company who is far superior at commercialization.
Tier 1 engineers probably are not interested working in 1) oil and gas and 2) for a company that obviously hates 80% of its employees.
Company doesn't need the best USA engineers anyways when they've got many numerous "good enough Indians" to run through.
I'm glad I only have a few years left, let's hope I can survive.
flood the labor force with poor and mediocre engineers
then everyone is expendable and you can lower their salaries
That why xom has BTC..BTC engineers os better than that tier 1 school engineer...BTC is xom future...even kltc will shutdown soon...
@OP Why do you need “tier 1” engineers? To cut & paste overlay specs for your vendors and run pipe-sizing calcs in static spreadsheets?
The best grads from the best schools are getting hired at the best companies for the most pay. Same goes for talented and experienced engineers.
Reason is that retention from tier1 schools has been low since covid.
Pay $
Maybe XOM has finally figured out that Tier 1 schools do not produce graduates who can actually communicate with the rest of us.
Basically they are worthless.
BTC rocks!