Everyone is just obsessed with opening JIRA stories and tracking useless metrics all the time; there is no real work being done and just paper being pushed to show that something is being done
Business and stakeholders treat PMs like their servants ("you work for us, stop thinking and follow what we tell you to do"). Work on meaningless projects that leads to absolutely zero outcomes.
No wonder there are no good products or things coming out of here and the stock will trend to zero over time
@kk There’s a ton of invisible work done by technical folks that PMs often miss. And if you're really good and fast, you risk becoming a target in a politically charged environment. Jira doesn't share the real picture
@kn Not to mention the technical complexity and details and the effort it takes. What about when you ghostwrite, do emails for seniors or create their PowerPoints? What about all the live same-day-delivery work that is done. PM can't keep up, but they can try. Some are very helpful. When it becomes a we-pon. It is sharp. How about the meetings where you secure buy-in? What about the knowledge transfer sessions? So many things that a PM cannot track in accordance to your output/value/impact/contributions.
@kk Usually fine, but not until its we-ponized and you're going so fast under live fire that they can't keep up and you accidentally put a target on your back from an established fiefdom with connections that wants to eradicate your hot streak to justify punishment as deterrence for whatever they were bothered by. Who are they going to believe?
Some PMs are absolutely amazing, give you data, set up things as you need and organize everything so you can just work.
Some are su-kers that schedule an alignment meeting for prediscussion to understand what you ask for so that they can present themselves with your ideas how they really help the project.
Jesus fu--ing Christ, here we go again with another PM crying about jira like it’s waterboarding. Newsflash: you’re not Steve Jobs, you’re a glorified hall monitor with a laptop. ‘Paper pushing’? No sh-t, that’s literally your whole fu--ing role. The business treats you like servants because you act like servants - shuffling tickets, worshiping metrics, and pretending busywork is strategy. Stop blaming jira, stop blaming stakeholders, and look in the mirror. The stock’s not tanking because of Agile, it’s tanking because we’re drowning in useless fu----s like you who mistake whining for work.
@ae That is pure arrogance! You were not like this before!
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Totally false. DF has been key in the development and launch of many products across the high tech spectrums. Just Google it.
@dn Lot of after work too
A lot of made-up work! And minimizing of the real work. It's the Douggie playbook. That's why he's never delivered anything in his career.
Yes it is. Too many paper chasers and not enough people actually doing work.
Ford has no good process and project tracking , this is why recalls are all over the place in every program worse than Chinese Mamba- Jumbo vehicles.
Ford has perverted the position of "Product Manager". What they call the role and how it performs is NOT how the rest of the industry defines it. But it doesn't matter as everything at Ford is 'order taking' and the obsession over the SMART goals/objectives the last couple of years only reinforces such. There is no questioning the status quo at Ford or offering alternatives to their old school thinking...and you'll pay the price if you do. As far as Jira, I can tell you for a fact it's is being used as a way to further micromanage and evaluate people/teams. As far as Agile, they have perverted it as well. There is nothing Agile at Ford. It's pure command and control to the most extreme.
What’s product management?
@aa Jira was good when we had some lady managing it, but then she left as she was a contractor and it wasn't renewed. After that, it turned into a we-pon against the top performers. Top performers were delivering so much and so fast, that leaches spent more time taking credit while they were doing nonstop real work. It's easy without a coding environment and on 24/7 share screen with fellow cronies while someone actually codes and understands the tech-stack while you pretend to be a software engineer and whenever questioned ask the work-horse on call the question to relay as your own answer!
Oh please! JIRA and the “Agile methodology” is a bad joke. Companies operated successfully prior to this abomination being foisted upon them back when there were competent program managers. All this stupid system is is a babysitter for Millennials and Gen Z people who need to be walked through very step of the process. Ki-l Agile and JIRA with fire.🔥
PM org has had some questionable promotions in the past years, to say the least.
It’s funny because I hear that all over ford but our team didn’t use JIRA and it was awful. No tracking of progress, random shared notepads to track tasks. It was so bad because management could just change the whole direction of the project in one review and act like it had no impact on the rest of the work.
If used right, JIRA is an essential tool but if used the wrong way then it is cumbersome and worthless.