Thread regarding Dell Inc. layoffs

Re: "Whether you quit with the 2 month severance or are fired, you will not be able to collect unemployment."

Not an expert (and I wish one would weigh in here), but I do not believe this is true. I have definitely heard otherwise, and recently, at least for TX/US.

I believe a severance delays when you can receive unemployment; ie, my understanding is that if you have a two-month severance, you can apply for unemployment but won't receive anything for two months. If you're still unemployed then, you can start getting unemployment for a certain length of time...I believe six months.

All of this varies on country and even state though; so check with people from your region.

(And I'm explicitly inviting experts to weigh in and correct me if I'm wrong here.)

@am Technically speaking, yes, practically speaking, unlikely. Firing someone that is on a PIP opens of for legal challenges. If the employee can showcase that they were not given any opportunity for improvement, or that the whole PIP was a sham that was setup to fail, they could have grounds (depending on where you are located) to sue for unlawful termination. It's for the very same reason nobody is laid off for 'performance issues'.

A lot of reps commenting on here with no perspective. I've put a lot of people on PIPs and let an unfortunate amount of people go through firing or WFR. You are not meant to graduate a PIP. They are designed to fire you. This wasn't always the case, but has been for the past 2 - 3 years. PIPs used to be 3 - 6 months, but now are typically 30 days. When you are given a PIP, you will likely be offered a 2 month severance to quit. Whether you quit with the 2 month severance or are fired, you will not be able to collect unemployment.

In contrast, if you are caught in a WFR you get a much better severance and you can collect unemployment. I can't stress this enough, you want to be in a WFR never a PIP! If you're tired of being at Dell, ask your manager if they will include you in the next WFR.

Possibly but, PIP's are usually between 3-6 months long. PIP's are 100% geared towards and built to force someone to quit though and/or give a company reason to fire you. Most people don't "pass" the PIP and even if you do, why would you WANT to stay anyways?

At least if you are on a PIP, you get paid for the next 3-6 months. Might as well just do the bare minimum, and half a-s your work up until the last week or so of the ending of your PIP, then quit. That way you aren't fired and don't have that on record.

You now just got paid to do the bare minimum for 6 months and absolutely can still collect unemployment. Dell is obviously a MASSIVE company and they don't have time, nor care enough, to talk with unemployment agencies to deny someone of unemployment. Imagine if 900 people quit in March. Probably a good half to 3/4ths of them applied for unemployment. Dell will payout because they have more important things to worry about than ex employees.

Generally speaking though, managers don't want to PIP anybody but do simply because of "rules" or metrics. Meaning that most managers will work with you and help you quit in a way that would benefit you.

@OP I worked for Dell back in 2016-2017 in Pro Support and got on a PIP. I was actually GOOD at my job but wasn't super great with the insane amounts of follow up emails they force upon you - which IMPO, as a custyomer I'd be annoyed and see it as spam...

My manager was cool af and I was easily the most technically saavy on my team and my manager, after a few months of me trying to get off the PIP, told me it's not gonna happen lol. He said I could either continue on, or quit. At this point, I HATED my job because PIP's make your job 100x HARDER than they actually are...

I was told that I'd likely fail and that would go on my HR record (if i ever chose to return to Dell) or if I quit, the PIP would dissapear. I chose to quit because I wanted to go back - just in a different role - so my manager skirted the rules and said he'd pay me for the next 2 weeks.

I agreed because I just wanted out. So I got 2 more paychecks, then went and filed for unemployment. Then about 2 years later, I was back at Dell lol. But in a position I'd always wanted to be in, and 6 years later, am still here.

If I get put on a PIP then how long does it last? Do I need to do any work? What are the consequences of not doing any work?

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You can be laid off while on a PIP, sometimes that gets you on the list too. And if you don’t pass your PIP, you get a severance offer to leave. Not as good as the layoff offer, but still. If you get severance either way, you cannot get unemployment.

To be honest these days you're probably at a bigger risk to get fired if you haven't been put on a PIP. If they do that it would mean that they actually care enough to go through all the hassle of trying to improve things.

You can't fire someone because they are on a PIP, in fact, you can't fire someone while they are on a PIP. The whole purpose of that is to address an issue and improve it, and only if it doesn't improve it would be grounds for letting someone go. Not to mention the whole legal risk of doing that.

I wish they would put me on a PIP, at least I could be sure I have a job for the next 6 months or so, as opposed to now.

How does one get PIP’d at Dell? I feel like half of the posts on this site are posted by bots or people that do not work for Dell

I wouldn’t mind being laid off. After 20 years of nonstop dedication, I’ve reached a breaking point. Despite consistently delivering strong results, I’ve lost trust in the direction this company is taking and in its lack of ethical standards. It’s time for a change.
My biggest disappointment is seeing the company prioritize high-margin AI initiatives while ignoring its legacy server business and showing little regard for the employees who helped build it.

Depends on who you work for.

I've seen people that have been PIP'd still get a severance.