@ht I'm aware of Gretchen and rest of the check-box people, but the same beat is going on still with Troen promotions. As far as Steve Martin and other unqualified people in infosec, they are there because those who put them there expect them to be people leaders rather than a technical leader. They expect the 'downstream' techies to keep them propped up.
Zero-trust isn't that hard, it's been around for years. The problem for Optum and the UHG acquisition breaches results from politics that shouldn't be there. Look no further than Triple-S hiring back their former employees from what was known as OptumConnect. To much talk and not enough of the right actions.
Nico is not qualified for his current role nor in any way for an architecture job. If he can sit down and explain network traffic as it flows through the infrastructure along with understanding how to secured the infrastructure end-2-end great, otherwise bring in people who have and continue to grow their skills and knowledge.