Promotions are being given to those overseas. Not to those in most of EU or even the USA..

Talked to one of our Sr. Directors last week and asked what's going on with promotions because, NOBODY is really getting promoted - company wide.

She kinda laughed and said that because most managers very rarely give them during yearly reviews/raises and more often than not, managers wait to get open REQS in order to promote someone; a promotion for someone in India, Mexico, or basically anywhere BUT the US is cheaper and a "bigger bang for the buck."

Essentially, managers get a "bucket" of money to spend on their employees for raises every year. Pretend it's 50k. They have say, 12 ppl they manage. If they were to use that "bucket" to promote someone and say that promotion is worth 20k, then they now have 30k left to spread to the other folks for a raise. It's fkng stupid. NOW, every leadership roll has to manage at minimum 20 people so, your chances just went down a sh-t ton.

When you get those newsletters that are congratulating those who were promoted, how many of them were in the US? Likely very few. 99% were people living in countries other than the US .

She more or less told me that she doesn't see Dell giving out promotions to US employees anytime soon or in the near future. AKA, Dell is not promoting US employees because it's too "expensive."

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"I don’t think they have promoted anyone in role in for 6-7 years."

For ISG or at least my little corner of it, it has been 10+ years since anyone has been promoted and several managers/directors have been demoted.

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Dell appears unwilling to adjust salaries in line with inflation, yet some might argue you’re fortunate, as many haven’t seen significant raises over the past six years. In the U.S., inflation has surged over 22% in the last four years, making it increasingly challenging for me to cover living expenses each year

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I do. It shows how cheap the company is and how unethical they became. People in ISG, be careful, your job is on the line.

I got nothing against good hiring in India, but a lot of teams from there focus a lot on "hiding info" or pretending to do work.

Got number of occasions when I had to train them, then do work anyway, because folks there "pretended" task was only A, when everyone said its A B C D E F

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Not true.
Ten months ago, we received a corporate email indicating that hiring would primarily occur in India, with limited hiring in the USA.

@a7 Agreed but, depends how much money they have to spend on promotions... Either way, my org is not massive and the BU of my org I'm in is super tiny. All I know is that the only people getting promoted are those in other countries - at least in my org... My org doesn't generate or bring in a single penny but, are probably one of the most vital orgs in the entire company; which is ironic.

I've looked at roles outside my team but again, they are ALWAYS in another country. The seldom reqs that are within my org in the US, that do open up, are for positions that I know jack squat about so I can't even apply to those. I also really really REALLY love where I'm at - manager, those I work with, and have no real complaints overall. Kinda hard to leave a perfect role...

This is not true. Lots of folk in the US got promoted. Dell is also hiring in the USA.

@c8+1k05q1p5e - you can't just look at salary. Benefits in EU are significantly more expensive in US. You're also unionized. In a company who loves to WFR, it's safer to keep hiring out of unionized areas because workers unions can stop your WFR plans.

Welcome to globalized company. The problem is, the bucket of money is same despite US or EU work positions, but salaries in US are 3x higher and work is same - Data Engineer is same in EU and US. Promoting someone in EU is just much cheaper if not, there will be no Dell in EU as is.

@bp Dell has been offshoring multiple entry level jobs (entire teams) from Bratislava to India or automating those to use auto-translate instead of native speakers. And we are also told no promotion for us doing same role as people in other location on higher grade. "Low cost" is not helping

Same goes also for changing to a new role.
I'm based in Western Europe and, together with many colleagues, I have been clearly told that there's no chance for advancements or even changing role, unless we accept to relocate to low-cost locations (in our case it's Casablanca and Bratislava).
People who are in Ops, Marketing, Field services roles and based in expensive countries were hired years, if not decades ago, but no chance for new hires or those who try now internal moves.

20 years doing the same job over and over, never got promoted.

What a disaster!

Promotions in the US are done via IJPs because of this - except in cases of initial promotions where the raise doesn’t break the bank for other employees. It’s amazing that dell doesn’t provide funding to cover promotions, never saw this at other companies

Absolutely not true in all orgs!

I don’t think they have promoted anyone in role in for 6-7 years. You have to move to another group.

Promotions are not rewards, they are a tool of necessity. Simply put, you don't get promoted for doing good work, a promotion is only available if a team needs a role at that level and can't be successful without it. That is where the req comes in, they need to sell leadership on that premise and when they get a req for that level they can use it to promote someone.

Promotions in role are also very rare, you will need to look at roles outside of your team and org if you really want to move to the next level and be willing to take on roles that you may not want to as well have some sort of referral or relationship with the hiring manager. Additionally, you are competing against everyone in your org who wants a promotion, you may be the best on your team, but the lowest of those being considered. Your manager also has to get buy in from all of the other leaders that you are the best choice for a promotion over their own.

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