Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

CL and POT reality

CL 29 - default potential for all MPT employees when they start
CL 27 - If you are assessed Good or below early on, this is where you’ll end. Maybe a ‘Principal’ position to end your career. You’ll make $300k
CL 28-29 - Is where majority of mid tier performers will retire. An ‘Excellent’ rating here or there can help you get to 29 but of you average very good then you’ll retire CL 28/29 earning maybe $350k

The prior categories have a joke in the name of RSUs given to them. like 100-200 RSUs that vest over 3 and 5 years, 50% each year. Think about it, its really a joke.

Now CL 30 and above are junior executive positions. Those pegged at POT 34 end up in 30, 31 or similar and make $500k with mentionable number of stocks, like 1000 units and above. Now what gets interesting is that these positions also get some sort of bonus tied to their goals, which is why they just manipulate the he-l out of their subordinates and the organization to absolutely do what they are told to deliver from their masters above.

This in my view is the root of toxic middle management, the crazies who were bulloed at school and have zero other things in life going for them — who can do anything to prove they arr worth something. They are the hitman of the ExxonMobil mafia and they are trying to be made men/women. The pyschopaths.

Those with CL 35 and above were always POT 38+, but of course even they wont all keep moving up. These people do have something differentiating, whether it is not caring for what toll their miserable life takes on their family, or it is the ability to intimidate or the ability to be a robot who is emotionless, stab your ‘teammates’ in the back, play race or DEI card shamelessly — you need these traits to make it up there.

Actual smarts could get you there too, but in today’s ExxonMobil, the toxic culture ensures that actual smart people leave or not care enough to progress in this poorly managed ‘technology’ company stuck in 1980s.

Now to the finale— CL 38+, these are clearning more than $5 million plus stocks, they dont rrally care about you..I mean seriously with the sh-t they have taken on their face all these years, they secretly hate all employees. And these are the people who make NSI targets, who say this performance assessment system is the best thing since sliced breadc who say ‘what toxic culture? every company is like this’, who travel in private jets and reduce the number of trash cans in zones to save the ‘corporations’ money. They are above caring about their pathetic servants.

So now, you decide — what kind of human you are and what kind of life you want. I’d say do a solid 5-10 years max, take no sh-t, never let your self respect be damaged by the psychopaths and leave the moment you see that your are no longer welcome. Your mental health, your phsyical health, your family, your true inner self that has the childlike joy and wonder — will all thank you for it.

The Exxonmobil organization is a cult, no more no less. You have to blindly believe and rip out your heart on a platter to serve your overlords and then mayyyybe you will climb the ladder.

Not worth it my friends. I am on my way out. Spent 18 years, a tad too long. But cant stand it anymore. Advise you to leave sooner unless financially you are sc--wed up.

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Post ID: @OP+1jx9cfbb9

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great information! the fact its not shared by management speaks a lot about how ‘people are our best asset’. liars.

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Post ID: @j0h+1jx9cfbb9

Great info! Some intriguing reactions too!

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Post ID: @3sc+1jx9cfbb9

How high a POT has anyone seen?

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Post ID: @3a5+1jx9cfbb9

@31y you sound like you were tagged as gifted and talented in elementary school but couldn’t cut it in the professional word and turned into an incredibly bitter, sad person as a result. I hope you find happiness somewhere in this life.

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Post ID: @33w+1jx9cfbb9

The vast majority of the 55k employees will never see CL28 and above. The game is rigged for a select few. That's the reality. Many of the rest are really good at what they do and are going to be financialy better off than thier peers outside the company. But it still stings when the real high performing employees are passed over by the chosen few, and those that would sell their soul to climb up at the expense of thier coworkers. But I rather leave for home each day knowing my integrity is intact and I may even could call some of my coworkers friends.

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Post ID: @321+1jx9cfbb9

What stands out when you really think about it is that all the leadership (and I recognize that word is an EXTREME misnomer here - cowardship would be more accurate) is picked very early on (on some fuzzy basis, whether it’s to fill demographic holes, like the surplus of mediocre female execs in product solutions, or, more commonly, throughout the corp, the mediocre men who reminded their VP of themselves early in their career). The “prophecy” is then protected to fulfillment.

Anyone not picked at that point just a disposable tool to help executives maximize filling their own kids trust funds. Conversely, to protect that kind of personal compensation, all of the executives (and anyone on this track) sacrifice anything that they previously possessed that would have resembled integrity, creativity or a home life. Everything else gets crowded out for winning at work. The incentive becomes to never deliver bad news and minimize taking decisions (at all if possible) to avoid risk to own compensation.

Intriguingly, actuarial research shows that these grotesque examples of human beings also usually have an earlier than average mortality rate, especially those who get their greed on all the way to 65 (requirement by corp for anyone CL35 and above - absent dispensation from the big cheese as a massive bonus is given at the CL35 promotion to lock you in until 65 yrs old).

Explanation to a visitor from another planet: EM (and many corporations) are actually just a rigged game from the start, and the so called “winners” have taken a bet that by stealing from and lying to everyone else, they will somehow live a better? life than you will, before passing away earlier than they could have. Hard to get one’s head around when you think about it that way.

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Post ID: @31y+1jx9cfbb9

As a supervisor I am forced by manager to loe about how ‘awesome’ everything is even when I am trying to tell her exactly the opposite. ImAll the time, I am testing how long I can survive but enough of ‘selling my soul’ to losers. I’d rather stay in a smaller house and an okder car, it’s not worth the bullsh-t.

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Post ID: @2wg+1jx9cfbb9

Nothing changed following the brutal truths study about 6 years ago. Senior Leadership could not accept the the reality that the moral compass was broken, so they said let’s ignore the brutal truths and our compass will not be moral but it will be “follow the money”. Never I have seen such Global company being led by the most socially and intellectually and politically inept and corrupt people.

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Post ID: @2vf+1jx9cfbb9

One of the most informative threads that’s been posted on here. Insane that this info is kept away from most employees internally.

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Post ID: @2rx+1jx9cfbb9

Contestant - "I will take "Stuck at CL29" for $1000"

Alex - "Answer...a daily double"

Contestant- "I'll wager $4000"

Alex - "Answer... Seen by Hipos as a somehow a negative, others admit is the best part of "only" getting to CL29 for the remainder of a career at EM.

Contestant- "What is Money?"

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Post ID: @2cz+1jx9cfbb9

It’s not called Sponsor anymore, it’s called a Career Advocate (a current VP/SVP if you are POT38, your Pres if you are POT42, etc). If you are not on their list, don’t think about getting a 1-1 meeting for some career advice/guidance from those VPs.

There are definitely some wrong behaviors the system causes. These career advocates are likely rewarded for helping fulfill the given potential (/prophecy) for the person. It should be given equal consideration in the career advocate’s assessment if they make informed, good judgment decisions to change the potential. But that is more seen as a failure so it takes a lot to happen.

Once that potential is set then promotions are basic arithmetic helped by HR (not sure why we would ever want HR to do math but that’s basically all they do)

Overall there needs to be more transparency.

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Post ID: @2cc+1jx9cfbb9

@mv+1jx9cfbb9 - That injustice is in works of being rectified. Give it couple of years.

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Post ID: @23s+1jx9cfbb9

@1j1+1jx9cfbb9 There aren’t many. Easy to guess who you are talking about. Don’t.

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Post ID: @23r+1jx9cfbb9

@222 rumour mill said Rex Tillerson was 52 when he retired. That’s the highest CL number I’d heard of. Not sure whether true

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Post ID: @22s+1jx9cfbb9

Are all VPs POT 38?
How many CLs are there ultimately? anyone asked their supervisor about it and got told what their ultimate CL is?

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Post ID: @222+1jx9cfbb9

I would like to add that those who get stuck at 28, 29 and are in their own head executive potential are also pyschopaths ready to ruin everyone’s life. Just to get that promotion. Development planning managers are a classic example of these.

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Post ID: @1j1+1jx9cfbb9

Spot on. The combination of the culture and $$ produce some pretty revolting specimens of human, particularly as OP notes, in the CL30-35 layer. The weird part, though, is that most of them use the money to live boring, pointless home lives (when they’re home). Same neighborhoods, bland “upscale” construction, vacations, activities, etc. It’s like they follow a formula: lie, steal, hoard, sleep, repeat. What a strange way to miss almost everything worthwhile about life.

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Post ID: @1fx+1jx9cfbb9

@143
Just to clarify, a position's CL is not always the same as the CL of the person occupying the role. It's more likely that a person CL is lower than the position CL (at least when they move in role)

Asset Mgrs - Some are, but not all. Large BU assets are probably 30s
Sr Principles - Most are likely not 30s, some could be
Chiefs - Yes
Discipline Mgr - Yes
EMTEC 2nd line - I assume this means VPs direct reports? ... most are
Staffing Mgrs - Most are not execs
Dev Mgrs - For large BUs ...most are execs

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Post ID: @14d+1jx9cfbb9

What positions are CL 30 and above?
Asset manager? Sr Principal? Chiefs? I am an upstream campus hire 4 years in the conpany. Need some guidance. I am EMtEC. is EMTEC manager ( second line) CL 30? Is the Discipline Manager CL 30? Are development managers CL 30 and above? are staffing managers above 30? What about development planning and commercial roles? are those managers executives?

These seem to be the biggest liars and confident of getting away with shameful
behavior. Assuming its their bonus greed?

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Post ID: @143+1jx9cfbb9

A point of clarification .. once you get to Cl 30 and CL31 the real bonus system starts, you get paid $375k-475k as base salary, and bonus add will be another 50-100% of salary in form of options and cash bonus was with amount of bonus depending on which performance quintile you reside in. So the reality (for at least upstream) is CL30/31 are receiving $550k -950k in annual compensation, so they can’t rock the boat when faced against a cl34+ stupid and incompetent vp whom has no technical expertise in the broad are they are expected to manage, rather the vp got promoted to their level of incompetence especially considering who xom embraced dei and quotas the last two decades.

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Post ID: @vs+1jx9cfbb9

Is this like the most liked post ever? good job OP. seems like upstream only.

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Post ID: @vn+1jx9cfbb9

Correct me if I am wrong. I feel OP's info is probably for U/S only...

For D/S, if you are technical track, the retirement CL is 27. Some got 28, some stuck at 26. Salary for 27 is 240k, 210k for 26, 270k for 28, of course with some +/- of 40k. More variability at higher CLs

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Post ID: @mv+1jx9cfbb9

@he those from the technician level that become salary at a XOM plant are just a necessary evil and will never be part of the club. Make you work every day extra to act like it, fight fires, deal with the deaths, freezes and hurricanes but put you in the NI bucket so the HiPO BTL or DH, who lack the competence to even make a pump round, get their next Spring box checked. Ask any anchor site SLS how they feel at the end of their career about this and the bile will flow.

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Post ID: @jv+1jx9cfbb9

This is true and worth sharing across the company as our ‘leaders’ don’t have the ba--s to be honest anyway.

Can we get some honest information on this thread please?

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Post ID: @jn+1jx9cfbb9

I see employees trying to make it to cl 27and under. The technicians and craftsman are in this bucket. They will also ki-l their own mother to move up. It is all relative to your group. I know many technicians who retired at CL 24 and nd less.

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Post ID: @he+1jx9cfbb9

I think the most telling part of a discussion like this is that employees desire/need to come a website with whoever on the internet spouting whatever information they may be making up rather than have clarity and transparency provided for them by the company itself. This is telling of the culture and lack of information given to all employees.

Exxon management if you read this, (and I know that you do) this is a trigger that you have opportunity to do better and meet your curious employees' need for information.

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Post ID: @gq+1jx9cfbb9

Don’t think you’re stuck at EM even if you’re in your 40s. You can find other opportunities that value you as much or more.

I agree the amount of RSUs before CL30 aren’t noteworthy. Nice gesture but definitely not enough to keep someone from leaving compared to if/once you become a CL30.
As for pension, even with significant discounting you can, for example, take 20+ years of LS and invest it for next 15-20 years.

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Post ID: @et+1jx9cfbb9

I will take the 5 Million annually. Sc--w you.

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Post ID: @es+1jx9cfbb9

But what are the workers' salaries?

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Post ID: @er+1jx9cfbb9

Completely accurate. Crazy how relatively “few” $$ to warp people into the soulless, greedy pieces of sh t that become the CL30+ population. Those sacks of garbage would sell their own children if it got them more power or RSU’s. Heck, they basically do that on the daily since family always becomes subordinate to “winning” at work

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Post ID: @dn+1jx9cfbb9

No lies told.

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Post ID: @c4+1jx9cfbb9

Good info. The salaries are not applicable to all functions/organizations though. A CL 27 in Finance will never make $300k. That’s more like a CL 29 - 30 (before cash/stock bonus).

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Post ID: @by+1jx9cfbb9

Nice post and info

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Post ID: @a8+1jx9cfbb9

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