There are still many many managers with only a few reports so none of the demotions to IC has happened yet
Anyone know when this is to be completed?
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CSG tech support EMEA, we had our manager and one above him demoted to IC this week
Certain organizations in the field have not be touched yet, but it is coming. Others have been redone top to bottom like mine. It seems like certain VPs are resisting the 20:1 mandate, others are fully onboard. Will be interesting to see what happens to the resisting VPs. All you have to do is look at the org chart in email to see what is happening. I know of plenty of teams that still have ~10:1 ratios. My entire org is a "clean" 20:1 from VP all the way down, and we lost all of middle management.
my manager announced demoted to IC but he told us it has been suspended due to pick increase demand on and low productivity in the team (low morale you know) :-)
Making managers ICs is a joke and an insult to individuals that ACTUALLY contribute. These mangers are basically useless and should be WFRed. Maybe some will at least have the dignity to leave rather than try to fool people into thinking that they are capable of contributing as an individual.
I know of four people demoted from manager to IC. It has happened.
"So when is this good news impacting the VP and Sr.Dir."
They'd have to have the mental capacity understand that they are part of the problem and the integrity to hole themselves accountable. Upper management is lacking in both of those areas so WFR will not directly impact them.
Individual Contributor is more valuable to a company.
Managers stay because they have aspirations of ascending and running the show. Why anyone wants to endure this is beyond me.
"Why any manager continues to stay and endure this torture is beyond me."
Because the reputation of Dell's manager roles outside there is very poor. Most of the managers that were laid off in my country are either still working for a new manager role (after almost 1 year from the moment they've been laid off) or had to accept finding a new job as an IC.
Why any manager continues to stay and endure this torture is beyond me.
"When is quarter end, end of may ,?"
Quarters are:
Q1: Feb-Apr
Q2: May-Jul
Q3: Aug-Oct
Q4: Nov-Jan
My SVP got walked when all this started. I don’t think they’re immune.
When is quarter end, end of may ,?
"So when is this good news impacting the VP and Sr.Dir."
It will never happen, they are going to trim down the bottom first.
So when is this good news impacting the VP and Sr.Dir.
All this wont mean anything if the real culprits of this toxic enviroment are not yeeted
They got rid of 2 of our 4 managers a few weeks ago so the two remaining could have 28 direct reports each. After last weeks layoffs one manager now has 14 and the other 18. Not sure how they'll get them up to 20 unless the plan is to yeet another manager.....
Im a manager. Waiting for telldell to finish.
It's supposed to be completed this quarter. Source: Straight from a people managers mouth.
My manager has been demoted to IC already