Praying for all those in engineering groups
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@yf Ok, thanks for the links... found some interesting bits from that wiki.. seems like folks form 1980 still hang around here :-)
Coincidentally, in the electrical engineering department, Lougheed, who had worked >with Bosack on Yeager's routing software, was confronted by his boss, Steve Hansen. >Hansen demanded that Lougheed return tape copies of his work on the software, saying >they belonged to Stanford as ``work for hire.''
Hansen, who now is Stanford's computer security officer, says he told Lougheed to >return the tapes or resign.
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On July 11, Bosack and Lougheed resigned. They were joined at Cisco by three others >from Stanford: Lerner, who had left Stanford long before, Greg Satz, a programmer, and >Richard Troiano, who handled Cisco sales.
On April 15, 1987, Stanford licensed the router software and two computer boards to >Cisco; the agreement allowed Stanford to use several of Cisco's groundbreaking >software improvements made after Cisco's founders had left Stanford.
For the software, Cisco gave Stanford $19,300 in cash and agreed to royalties of >$150,000 and product discounts. Yeager apportioned the royalties, giving his 80 percent >share to his department.
didn't Cisco pay them? how is that a stolen property ?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco :
Cisco Systems was founded in December 1984 ... They adapted Yeager's software into what became the foundation for Cisco IOS, despite Yeager's claims that he had been denied permission to sell the Blue Box commercially. On July 11, 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford and the university contemplated filing criminal complaints against Cisco and its founders for the theft of its software, hardware designs, and other intellectual properties.[10] In 1987, Stanford licensed the router software and two computer boards to Cisco.[10]
The story in house from a previous CEO was more detailed :-) You can't ignore what happened between 1984 and 1987.
stole from Stanford
What are you folks talking about? IOS that does multi protocol translation? didn't Cisco pay them? how is that a stolen property ?
Knowing history doesn't mean they lived history.
recorded history may not be real history...
wow, i can not believe people from that era still hang around on this site..
Knowing history doesn't mean they lived history.
Part of what makes Cisco "engineering" so incompetent is running away with the first irrational thought without thinking it through or trading off other options.
first half of the 1980s
wow, i can not believe people from that era still hang around on this site..
fix is to get rid of parasite from engineering.. they just hire their friends&family and fire good working employees..
Cisco hasn't been a development organization since it was founded on hardware designs and software it stole from Stanford in the first half of the 1980s. The technical debt has been insurmountable for decades so it really doesn't matter who Cisco hires anymore.
The decades of engineering failure are making everyone's life a living h311.
fix is to get rid of parasite from engineering.. they just hire their friends&family and fire good working employees.. and suppress good employees form growing.. end result is what you see today...
It's about time.
(From a sales guy)
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This person said this because sales has to deal with those of us who are customers. The decades of engineering failure are making everyone's life a living h311. Be glad Cisco's earnings don't account for the costs your failures inflict on your customers.
“ Are they now dead in the UK?, has the sycophantic management that used to press gang the employees to vote finally been fired?”
Not fired. These people will always be here no matter what - that is what is wrong with Cisco: rottenness is in its DNA ( no license required).
The 2 head honchos for the UK bullying culture in the past:
- DM have been decanted to Middle East
- CP is now apparently the CTO EMEA. God help EMEA!
Relief is we no longer will have to listen to this nonstop nonsense about “best place to work in the U.K.”
Poor EMEA. They are going to get the dose of “change is the only constant “
Finally Cisco are knocked off the "best large company to work for" in the UK.
They are now down in 32nd place which is still a few hundred places too high!
Are they now dead in the UK?, has the sycophantic management that used to press gang the employees to vote finally been fired?
there are many parasite/freeloaders... Please first get rid of them... pretty please ... !!
Oh yeah they’re fu---d. They’re all overpaid. All these unqualified uncles, aunts, cousins, second cousins, dad, mom, sister’s boyfriends, needs to go!
It’s ridiculous.
Engineering groups are fcked
It's about time.
(From a sales guy)
Cu cu ru cu cu, Paloma.
Webex and Security are going to get hit the hardest.
MM, the second coming of Jesus can handle the whole organization himself .... no worries 👍
When CR says the LR isn’t about OpEx… it’s about OpEx.