So what will happen to managers and senior managers?
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From what I heard from my manager yesterday Friday was that yes he/she would no longer be able to have access to workday which btw is being replaced by Monarch or Oracle, but would still have same duties because our VP hates that admin crsp. All that said MSD is to eliminate the middle manager cost regardless if they add value or not.
Looks like there is no more hiding behind RPA bots to make it look like you have headcount!
And for the directors searching internet all day while your ‘team lead’ takes the load, people know.
“They were re-promoted to management later.”
You think anyone believes there’s a chance they could be re-promoted into a management role when they have to have 20 reports and existing leaders are land-grabbing HCs to keep their own titles? That’s a rich fantasy world.
If dell was serious about merit based evaluation, it will lay of the Sr. dir in PdM who are being moved to IC.. after their whole team was laid off and these "leaders" never delivered the promised revenue..
lol as if ANY manager in this company can do the day to day work of an I6-I10. I’d like to see a manager try to debug a PROD issue.
Re: "The Manager will be demoted to an IC.
The Manager will be Tean Lead, doing all the same work as a manager but with recognition of being ‘demoted’.
The Manager will leave, because he/she has respect for him/her self."
I don't think it HAS to be that way. We've flattened out a couple times by putting team leads in place; and the team leads have risen to the occasion (ie, continued to act as managers, except for Workday tasks). They continued to be valued and were re-promoted into management later, if that's what they still wanted. (A few really preferred IC roles.)
When ego doesn't get in the way, I think it usually works out fine. Everyone understands the BS of spans/layers.
PdM never has 20 reports per my sr.dir
This is real..There is alot of ongoing and jostling to meet the 20 direct reports. Fighting for survivor…the fittest and those who seen it coming and had more than direct reports will likely be safe.
Let the infighting begin between people leaders to make their HC quota. Just another mechanism used by external consultants and gullible management on how to dismantle culture and force people out. Don’t budge - let them pay you to leave. Stay safe folks.
Hmmmm…Let’s see….
The Manager will be demoted to an IC.
The Manager will be Tean Lead, doing all the same work as a manager but with recognition of being ‘demoted’.
The Manager will leave, because he/she has respect for him/her self.
While the Director or Senior Director does nothing all day long, and awaits promotion.
Tell me I’m wrong.
Surely managers who become IC would be laid off in due course ?
It’s just a life raft of courtesy among managers to give them a little time to look for another job. It’s management code not to treat your friends like the hoi polloi.
Our direct manager just had this happen and they are an IC now working on our team. They lost all management privileges, they can't see anything in workday anymore.
The upper management is going to spin it like they always do, but this is 100% a demotion.
I've seen it happen two or three times before in the last five years. It's simply a demotion and yes that's exactly what happens: they go from managing a team to doing whatever their (now former) reportees were doing. It's embarrassing to see and you're tempted to ask what happened. But they'll eventually bring up as if it was their choice by saying something like, "This was something I was always passionate about" or "I changed my mind about being a manager". Frankly, I think it makes them look pretty d-mb.
"So what will happen to managers and senior managers?" Who cares, f$$k them.
Yes, it’s happening, my boss told us yesterday he’s becoming an IC and I’ll now report to a peer (APJC)
“Transition to IC.”
And do what exactly? They’re too far removed from what their team was doing. Are they doing to start coding or whatever when their team of devs have been doing it the whole time? Makes no sense.
Help me understand this as my team will be affected. I am an IC in a Team of 9 reporting into a Director. I gather this director now flattens within the org but remains the team lead or chief of staff for another Sr Director? Will the former director now Team Lead take on thier share of work within the team or is this just a title change? It will absolutely destroy the culture even more if that former director doesnt take on the share of work and just coasts. This all sounds like another Dell on-paper-change in name and or function.
Just imagine - this former director - doesn't do any of the Team's work because he/she has always been focused on delegating tasks, having staff mtgs, performance conversations and 1x1's etc.. Also now imagine team members doing 1x1's with a peer versus direct manager. how does this all work? Anyone with insight? I ask because I don't see my current director pickup any of the tasks.
So what will happen to managers >>> and senior managers?
Transition to IC.