After all the beatings, we are excited that we are required to badge in/out a minimum of 8 hours M-F in the office? Because nights, weekends and on-call don’t count? Sounds like an abusive relationship…
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None of this will matter. Fiserv has squandered Clover’s industry lead, making it a case study in a tech company’s destruction.
Hello.
Please look for jobs on monster.com if you hate working for the company. I'm sure it will take you 12 years since none of you have any real talent.
No surprise.One man show is not sustainable.Self acclaimed perfectionist who never bothered to listen to real people who actually work and only relied on his 3 man army? What happened to Han, Aurovindo and Abhishek? Are they also fired along with VB?
It’s confirmed that the sumo wrestler WK will fill in until they find a replacement for VB.
Glad Vijayak is not otherwise it would be chaos.
For temporary.. it WK or VK ? No Vinayak please .. he is Frightening trousers - useless id--t .
VK is going to be temporary until they find a replacement for VB.
I agree with the previous conversation in the thread. Vinayak serves (CTO), not just the CTO of the hardware department. While hardware is undoubtedly a major focus, there are many other domains within the company that also require attention and expertise. Unfortunately, he has not shown any interest in expanding his knowledge beyond hardware, which limits his potential. While he might be well-suited for a managerial role within the hardware division, I do not see him excelling in broader leadership capacities. Additionally, his communication skills leave much to be desired. He often struggles during conversations and has difficulty expressing himself clearly, which is a significant drawback in a leadership role.
VK is not taking over VB as the head of Clover. Rumors has it that it’s actually WK. He is a great guy with excellent business acumen.
VK as CTO mostly looks at the hardware and platform side of things. And say what you want about the merchant experience but Clover has on of the best hardware in the POS market. Yes, even better than TheBurnedBreadCompany.
Alright, we’ve been criticizing VB, but what does a good leader look like in your opinion? Do you think Vinayak is deserving of the CTO role? Personally, I don't believe he has the vision or strategic thinking required for such a position. The same goes for other leaders in key areas, like security, cloud platform, and QA. They seem to have ended up in their roles by sheer luck, not because of solid leadership qualities.
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Yes, s-xism is an existing problem in tech and elsewhere — especially now.
However, I was at Clover before VB took over and then after. I was in meetings where I observed women getting bullied in stand-ups until they were near tears. I was on calls where VB was embarrassing his own teammates. The ones that he brought with him! It was very clear that the Ondot team brought in toxicity with them.
I was involved in a 100 day project and I strongly disagree that people being upset we needed to deliver. I personally have always thought Clover needed to move faster — and that was the prevailing opinion from the people I spoke with. Initially, the people on my team were excited to make something new.
But there is a difference between moving fast for the sake of moving fast and moving fast with purpose. The 100 day projects were poorly thought out and planned. And that is on VB.
Features kept being cut from the MVP and then stuffed back in until everyone was confused about what needed to be shipped. And the leadership was not receptive to feedback whatsoever. And that is also on VB.
A few of us raised our hands to say, “hey, this is not going to be good” and were repeatedly shot down. We were so browbeaten by the end that we just delivered what we needed to deliver. Again, this is the culture VB and his team created.
Was it ultimately Fiserv who’s at fault? Yes, absolutely. Frank installed a bully to lead Clover because he, himself, is a bully.
S-xism is an existing problem, it’s not just with the new guys - PR is extremely s-xist against women and has actively complained about working with female PMs. But remember, HR works for the company, not for you!
From the outside in, people are making a lot of assumptions, but when you can’t justify some decisions that you’ve made or you’re just using APIs / solutions from other companies instead of developing your own - that cannot be called innovation. Clover App Market is embarrassing and not having basic features and relying on other people to build it for you is just sad.
People don’t use us because we’re good. It’s because sometimes we’re the cheaper option.
Aggression and attitude do not good leaders make, but this is a hypersensitive time and people were unhappy that they actually had to deliver for once, and yes, on a time crunch.
VB was brought in because Clover wasn’t producing anything - and their team delivered a sub-par product in 100 days but it’s more than anything that Clover has done in the five years and now we need to catch up.
How can we pride ourselves on being a good POS offering when even the BBQ joint across the parking lot complains about usability and outages?
If the design team had a seat at a table for the past few years then a lot of these issues should have been fixed and prioritized, but knowing what Fiserv/DB did to JH, the design team lost power years ago (or maybe has always been a figurehead) and this just kept on trickling down.
I’ve been complaining about our merchant dashboard for years and it’s still unusable. Half the people I talk to in the office only know what the feature they’re working on looks like, and don’t know how the Clover ecosystem works. This is a problem that has existed for years. We have so much tech debt and instability… an extreme lack of clarity…it’s just sad.
There is a lot of toxicity on both sides, but if you’re thinking these actions are not a direct result of Fiserv and decisions from FB and his cronies then you’re naive.
I was
hoping that VB, who I thought would bring fresh ideas, could turn things around, but it's disheartening to see him leave as well. To be honest, I feel Vinayak lacks the necessary capabilities for this role. It seems like he was chosen more by chance than merit, and I suspect he’s staying in his position simply because it's extremely difficult to find a job elsewhere in the current market. Most of the talented individuals have already left, and those who are still here understand that they arrivednot likely to find new opportunities anytime soon.
I’m living for this news. Soon after that man started, I knew he wouldn’t last long. He tried to cover up his incompetence — and that of his underlings — with aggression, but it was clear as day that he was a terrible leader. His team came in trying to change products without even taking a minute to understand how they worked. They got hamstrung at every step because of their poor planning. They were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Was culture at Clover perfect? No. But they made it a million times worse. They came in and treated female devs, PMs, and designers with outright disrespect that resulted in numerous HR complaints. Bye VB, I wish you the worst!
The team is now left with only managers; there are no true leaders remaining. The CTO, VK, has proven to be ineffective in his role. He lacks a clear vision and does not possess the necessary communication skills to lead effectively. When speaking, he often stumbles over his words, which undermines his ability to inspire confidence in others. His leadership has been lacking in direction and clarity, leaving the team without the guidance needed for success.
Clover started going downhill the day John Beatty had enough of Frank. That was the end of the real vision at that place.
4 CEOs in 4 years each one lasting max 1 year shows about the place and the culture of the place.I am surprised even number w ppl in Clover haven’t realized they are the problem and need to change.Rather seem to be finding scapegoats for their inadequate culture.
Poor little Clover snowflakes, was the horrible Indian mean to you? You people have been immune from all the bullsh-t the rest of us have had to deal with for years. Maybe if you actually developed something innovative instead of me-too cr-p that’s 3 years behind the rest of the market they wouldn’t have sent in a hatchet man to be your boss.
It is so fu--ing stupidity to blame VB for all the sh-t.Fiserv is a fu---d up company and they r pushing all their republican ideas in Bay Area.
Clover is a fu---d up place where Vijayak and his cronies have been sitting simply n cheating everyone.Now I am sure all the empty heads will be happy, talking about culture etc n bull sh-----g to the world.
Ondot Puppet
VB and his puppets has no respect for Clover’s culture and the existing SLT. They came and instead of acclimating started to push their philosophies from day 1. Go shove your 100 day plan(s). I have seen so many longtime experienced clover employees get treated so badly in meetings by them. Hopefully the puppets follow their master and then Clover can become the best version of itself again. Sadly, a lot of talent and experience has already been lost.
He survived cancer. That's not the reason for his exit.
Fiserv CEO also survived cancer
Maybe he realized that life is too short to be living under fiserv rule, but unlike everyone here he can quit without a job lined up
He survived cancer. That's not the reason for his exit.
I heard that VB is quitting because he has cancer or some health issue like that. He took medical leave or something like that for all of 2023.
A high up guy at OD joined a call once and was shirtless.
Karma is a b****
Oooooo ondot is big mad judging by the downvotes. And to them I say: cope
This is America at its finest. The elites (SLT + Fiserv Corporate) make terrible decisions, put everyone else in an impossible situation and then we argue amongst ourselves. Any assertion that Clover folks are "lazy" or OnDot folks are id--ts is short-sided.
I fully agree. Nine months is a significant duration to prove one's capabilities. It's disappointing that the o*t team has shown no discernible engineering competence, relying instead on panic and constant follow-ups.
It was supposed to be a takeover and it failed , what happens to the Ondot posse? Clover folks were treated like cr-p now it's time for payback!
VB came in promising big but went out like a wu-s. He and other ondot people that came are a bunch of lazy a-s goofs. They are more like management consultants not software engineers. Most have no idea how software development works. No wonder Clover talents are leaving enmasse.
I dont think clover will recover. Many talent left, eager to leave as well. Clover is moving very slow due to the fiserv policies and etc.
Needs to run again.It needs to function as CLOVER as independent.
Who’s VB ?
Yes, its confirmed.
VB is fired.
Thanks for sc--wing Clover work culture!! His followers had no respect for internal Clover teams working here since years and they almost thought they can misbehave and rule and question anyone and everyone and any time. With great power, comes great responsibility. You may have tried and failed but still had a graceful exit. Atleast you tried. But by disrespecting and stepping on folks ruthlessly, you have only lost your own respect.
Just him, his people will follow him as they followed him for last 15years
Anyone else or just VB?
He’s out.
Hope he takes his incompetent drones with him, but the damage has already been done. The Ond*t crew he installed has little understanding of the business and is generally incompetent. They’ve managed to upend the business and its product offerings in a way that has stifled Clover’s growth trajectory, soured merchant sentiment, and driven Clover’s subject matter experts toward the door.
It’s a shame he decided to run the business into the ground, but at least he’s walking away while it’s in freefall and not yet a crater.
This is juicy. Need more info.