So the copper atom is 0.128 nano meters wide and TSMC claims a 2 nano meter node in 2025, so that's about a 16 atom thick layer. I'm assuming you need more than a few layers of copper atoms to conduct electricity effectively (maybe 10 for good measure, therefore all these billions of dollars just to get the last few nodes of chips. After that, not even TSMC can create a new node because you can't get smaller than a few atoms. Intel just gave up on the last few nodes so there's no reason to compete since everyone will be at the last and final node in 5 to 10 years anyways.
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Yes TD always thinks their sh-t doesn’t stink.
It's amazing that TD has somehow flown under the radar for their hand in developing absolutely terrible processes for YEARS. How did Ann stay in her position for so long despite her org being the main reason why we're here? TD engineers still think they're some lifeblood that keeps the company running, instead of being the source of the garbage that's ruined this company
5 yard penalty for piling on
C7 has horrendous body odor. It’s seething out of his words. He has a huge stain on his stinky tee shirt too. He’s the only one not noticing
@e9, you stated that so eloquently lol, couldn’t agree more.
@c7+... and another arrogant a-s from TD raises their head. LTD holds a lot of the responsibility for Intel's downfall. STFU and go fix your lame process technology. You get paid a huge salary to deliver absolute cr-p... late.
Nano meter node is defined by the trench width of the etching process and the metal layer thickness to fill the trench, not the height of deposition and planarization.
I agree with the OP. Finally someone mentions the truth, even with successful scaling isn't the end of the road really close for every company? A shift to some other type of technology must happen to continue processor advancement. It's been happening already for quite awhile right? Single core speeds have stopped going up and multi-core has taken over for many years now.
Wow, how do you manage to wipe your a-s with the amount of brains you have?
2nm node is just a name ... It means zilch. We have had horizontal and vertical structures in the transtor thst are controlled below 1nm even on our useless nodes from 4 yrs back.
I'm embarrassed to work with geniuses like you OP.
Going vertical doesn't make the nano meters go down.
Two words. Heterogeneous integration ftw!!!
Lets ask Gartner, i hear this is what we do now
Transistors are not made out of copper.
He is dead. No more law
nice intellectual point
it will get tougher and more costly to get better if we can
i'll go with @a7+1jgrz0tgm 's point
there is the vertical direction or a parallel architecture
the field is dying maybe that is why they are trying to ship it overseas
it will become a Burger King, no research just make everything very very cheaply
@a8 nice using words like "asserted" when u r talking out of your "asserted."
In BK’s era we asserted 14nm would be the final node
Since Samsung and TSMC were able to show otherwise we wound up in our current mess
We’re approaching it, but there can also be scaling in the “vertical” direction.
If what you say become real, can Intel continue to survive by stopping its development early?
Ok prodco engineer.