I was hired as a remote employee. I was never supposed to work from the office. I didn't switch during the pandemic and liked it too much to go back, I always worked from home. Remote work is why I accepted this job among several good offers. Now that the company is re-examining my position, I've started looking again but the options are not nearly as good as they were a few years ago when I chose Citrix. I'm not sure what I'm going to do but I'll have to figure out something. Whatever it is, I'm not staying because I'm not moving so I can go to the office for no good reason. Shame on the new management for changing the rules mid-game and forcing me and so many others into this position.
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If you're woman who's fired for not sleeping with a manager, attorneys will come in handy. If you're a minority who's fired because a manager is racist, attorneys will show up at your doorstep. If you're laid off because your work-from-home job in Wisconsin was turned into a work from the office job in North Carolina, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Sorry, that's the truth. When they're laying off 100s at a time, they're not targeting individuals for cause.
A good employment attorney would sort it out.
So your argument is that the terms of employment that Citrix made with a remote employee must be honored by a new owner. They can't fire the person or lay off the person, ever? The job is permanent? Good luck hiring a lawyer for that.
@zsl+1jaeRcdP - That is BS. There are laws they need to follow here. Sure, you are an employee at will which means they can fire you at any time for not reason. 99% of companies don't take advantage of this because the lawsuits would be more costly than actually laying someone off.
Second, A remote employee here for 10 years that never had a desk assignment? They that is not a terminable offense. The legal grounds the employee has is astronomical. There is the offer letter, there is the employment length and records.
Any judge would call this wrongful termination.
Stop gaslighting.
I realize things are tough right now, but seriously, this "if you don't do this TK will fire you" stuff is getting very old. Companies that want to remain in business don't behave like that, and they didn't pay $16.5 billion for a pile of firewood to burn down.
Stop projecting hurt feelings into reality.
Re: the prior post... no, TK does not want to pay for moving expenses. If you are remote and you don't want to move, you're not going to stay remote because they will fire you.
I am sure I will get about 4,000 downvotes for this but I just don't think most of you are thinking pragmatically. If you were hired remote years before the pandemic, and there is NO office near you nor was there ever an office near you/they closed it, you will likely stay remote.
They are trying to get the offices back to pre-pandemic levels. They are trying to get those people that moved away during the pandemic with authorization from the company to do so, back to an office. And since the company provided approval, it is up to the company to pay for that move back if they want to keep that person.
They are not looking to pay moving expenses for every single remote employee out there. If you live 15 mins from an office, your remote status will likely get revoked. If you live several hours from an office, you will likely stay remote.
Think it through. Think about how many remote employees we have and multiply that by whatever they will contribute for moving expenses. Do you honestly think TK has any interest in explaining that expenditure just to make you miserable? Nope.
I'm a TIBCO person and I hold absolutely no animosity towards anyone other than Vista. You guys didn't ask for this and neither did we. It sucks, but this is the world of private equity. They don't care about anything but $$$. Vista mostly left TIBCO alone in the past, but now this id--t Krause is driving the car and there's nothing we can do about it.
You'd think that, but go look at their board. They're salty that "they got combined with a dying company."
They already went through this process of going private and getting eviscerated, and evidently some of them don't think we should be allowed to vent or complain at all because somehow we are the enemy.
Those aren't Tibco people. Tibco employees hate TK/Vista as much as we do. Maybe more for knowing them better.
The tibco people camping the citrix threads are absolutely hysterical.
Corporations have more rights then you do, fair is not really thought of. Caring is another fake item they paint. Always keep yourself as priority one because an employer will not.
I understand what the OP is saying. The complaint we all have is really "I don't like that my company was bought, and I don't like what the new CEO is doing." Those are perfectly valid feelings! Of course it's not fair; nobody ever asks to be part of a merger or takeover.
However, it's not realistic to expect a new ownership to do what the old ownership did. They have the right to do what they wish. Sure, they could be doing things in a much nicer fashion, no question. Krause is a first-class jerk. Given that their goal is to cut costs, chop up the company, and sell off the pieces, it's best for all of us to put Citrix in the past and move on because there really isn't a future here.
I feel some of the replies here written by TK lol.
OP has valid commentary. I think criticism is healthy.
Let's make the complaint clearer:
"I was hired as a remote employee BY CITRIX. ...
Now THE NEW OWNER is re-examining my position"
You have no rights here, no leg to stand on. Period. Nobody is going to save you. Either suck it up and deal with it, or get a different job. Nobody on the planet is going to somehow force Vista to keep you on as a remote employee if they don't want to. NOTHING. So stop being such a godda-n baby already.
Unless there are 5,000 people in the UK/Europe, most of this is fantasy. In the US, it's at-will employment. No contracts below perhaps very senior management.
If the company says they're eliminating a remote position but there's a new identical position in Raleigh, you can either move to Raleigh or take the layoff package.
There's nothing to sue about, there's no mythical union that will somehow defend you. Even if there was a tech union of some sort - which does not exist in the US - it takes years to get union representation at a particular company.
Nobody said it was fair, but if Company B buys Company A, why do you think that Company B is now obligated to run the business the way Company A did? That is life.
The level of whining and crying on this forum is truly remarkable. Do you think Citrix is the first company to be bought, and you're the first employees to have to deal with a new owner?
Well, after next week your troubles will be over, in a manner of speaking.
It's not fair and that's what they want, lots of attrition. What you need to do is lawyer up. But if you never had remote in your contract then good luck. No gentleman's agreements will be honoured.
I will be fighting them in the courts all the way. Just to waste their time. Imagine 5000 employees all fighting them... then they might take notice.
This is why unions are always a good idea.
If you are in the UK you should have already spoken to the Citizens Advice Bureau