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A layoff decoy ? SAP Stock Buyback, what's it really all about and what does it signal ?

As most of us are already aware, SAP is currently buying back EUR 500M in Stock thru to Dec 31, 2022. This comes behind a buyback of about EUR 1 Billion in the first half of 2022 and the repurchase of about EUR1.5 billion in 2020.

That's a sustained 2 year program that bought back lot of stock. There are several reasons why a company would buy its own stock back, such as the company believes the market has discounted its shares too steeply, or maybe to invest in itself, etc.

But one prominent reason why companies repurchase its own stock is to increase shareholder equity. in other words, fewer shares means whatever dividends are distributed on annual basis will be greater for each individual investor because there are fewer shareholders and the dividends go around much more plentiful and in the end the investors are presumably happy because for the specific year ending they got an "OK" dividend even if the stock underperformed. ( we are now about 56% down from our stock high price of 2 years ago). It was also pretty cool that Hasso bought 300M in stock while the company was also buying back stock - it not only reduced the available stock but will also do him very well when the dividends are distributed.

So now I am wondering has CK and HP come up with a brilliant scheme to offset the losses in operating profit which has plagued SAP year after year with some improved dividends? Which were gained not by profitable performance but some fancy footwork to decrease the number of shares and increase the available dividend per shareholder - a cunning juggle indeed !

If yes then this is a very bad omen because it signals that the Exec team doesn't really believe they can control costs and would rather satisfy the investment community with a masterful decoy. In such case what then should be expected when the available cash runs out and there is no more funding to buyback shares? Well it means that the shareholders get neither profitable performance or meaningful dividends and this is never a good combination. If this is an attempt to pull over a clever gimmick, we are playing with fire. I think the redline is, If we don't begin to show profitable performance in Q3 and Q4 of this year it could be time for somebody(s), as they say, to belly up to the bar and hopefully it's none of us.

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Post ID: @OP+1ioduEaq

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6 year low. Below $80. Cristian de-Klein you can do better than this.

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Post ID: @wmii+1ioduEaq

Hey Dude that wrote original post and all of these replies - next time write fewer, don’t repeat the same points, and change up your writing style a bit. You expect people to believe that out of the blue, on a site where people can hardly hold together a few sentences, 15 people with deep concern and knowledge on stock buy backs and expense mgmt at SAP suddenly decided to lay out complete agreements. The praise for the op was too much! Not sure what your angle is, probably a SAP short afraid to get squeezed if stock heads back up. Pathetic dude.

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Post ID: @4czj+1ioduEaq

The NA consulting team (not MU delivery teams) just got an invitation with 24 hours notice for a 1:1 Consulting call with CCS services head Cl Mr to discuss:

  • future of consulting role as our business model changes to more packaged services
  • perspective on services impact to overall financial success….

Curious timing.

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Post ID: @4hco+1ioduEaq

Including Hasso's purchase, overall SAP has spent close to 4 Billion EURO over the last 2 years to buy back its own stock.

What is interesting is that when this repurchase began in 2020 the stock was at 160 per share. It has done nothing but fall during the entire time SAP was on a tear to buy huge amounts of its own stock back which should tell us how bad things really are for the SAP business when it comes to profits. Massive buys like what was done here were no where near sufficient to prevent a 50% drop in stock price.

So not only is the repurchase helping to set a decoy by substituting stock growth for dividend payout, the repurchase has actually helped to slow down the stock price fall. Had we not been buying back our own stock and keeping it buoyed up, the stock would now probably be in the 60 - 70 dollar per share range and be in a free fall.

Clearly our Leadership team has a concocted a clever scheme to lure away investors attention around performance and profitability and towards short term rewards around the form of small dividend payouts,

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Post ID: @1ser+1ioduEaq

I doubt the major stockholders will be fooled by this move, they are smart enough to know why SAP is buying their own stock back.

Sure they will take the improved dividend payout but they are investing for the overall stock performance and as was already stated, they are now in the "red" by over a 50% drop in their portfolio value. SAP better start to deliver profitable performance thru end of this year or I see changes coming. No way we go to 2023 with the same game plan or players if there is no improvement this year.

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Post ID: @1hqv+1ioduEaq

The only way such a ploy works is "if" the stock rebounds quickly and share price increases. Then it's a fairly smart move, even though just a short term one.

However, If SAP stock continues to slide downward or shows no significant increase, this move will be a complete disaster and leave the company cash poor with a Market Cap that is ever decreasing, while at the same time we are exhausting valuable capital on non productive acquisitions. The gamblers bet in such case will be a complete loss.

But aside from "betting" and using schemes on the company's future as our new growth strategy and how much sense such thinking makes, you really have to wonder about the financial intelligence of our leadership. In other words does it make sense to spend more than 3 Billion EURO buying our own stock as it steadily decreases or would it not have made much better sense to bet on an index fund where you get diversification, lower risk and better returns than SAP stock has shown?

Who is deciding such moves ??

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Post ID: @rtp+1ioduEaq

Let’s hope SAP is not an Enron however with the JV team anything is possible. 🤣

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Post ID: @xvj+1ioduEaq

Also - for any fat cats who have earnings per share KPI’s, the oldest trick in the book with a ratio is to shrink the denominator (# of shares outstanding) if the numerator stays flat or Enron decreases more slowly than the numerator (earnings)…

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