Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

I bet there aren't 10 real licensed professional engineers in all of Boeing anymore. Just faux engineers rapidly promoted to executive level via family nepotism.

For every 10 engineer's, 2 "actually" design: the rest push papers.

When I worked at Boeing "many years ago" I found "myself" making critical decisions that Management was was either scared to make or didn't know one way or the other. Things haven't changed much since the Phil Condit days. It took a little over 3 years before I eventually left. Turned out to be a pretty smart move.

Good job and congratulations on seeing through the fog and your deciding to leave.
A couple of pointers:

• "The managers walk around as if they are better than the employees, and I always found an undertone of the company trying to devalue our engineering degrees as if anyone could just come and do the work."

Your observation is right on point. This is a manipulative technique the managers are thought in their Boeing management training program. It's called "establishing a presence" AKA gaslighting. The intent is to make the employee believe that he is untalented and unworthy, and he is lucky to have his Boeing job at his/hers current meager pay. The hope is that the employee will not seek a job elsewhere (since they are supposedly so bad) and keep the retention rates high. Congrats on not falling for this.

• "Also, every time I wanted clarification from management they came up with some sentence that kind of says yes or no, but not really."

The managers, no matter their rank or competence, are working in the same system as you. They act in a CYA manner because they are thought to suspend reality and logic/critical thinking and follow the party line instead. They observe that decisions made above their level are not necessarily logical decisions, but emotional ones. Instead, they make decisions to please superiors, minimize risks for themselves, and facilitate their upward mobility. They respond in uncertain terms to preserve plausible deniability should opinions change rapidly and without notice, so they can deflect blame back to the employees.

Most Boeing Manager’s Can’t even do the job of the engineering group they’re supposed to be managing. It used to be you had to actually work in a group show competence become a lead and then you could become a manager. Now you have to come up with a solution Because management is really no help. And the only thing they care about is schedule.

Good for you to realize this is no longer the Boeing old, and left before they suck the life of you
The boeing with its engineering focus, quality and prowess was there in the last successful airplane program, the 777 certified and delivered on time in 1995 with its promised dispatch reliability under the leadership of Alan M.
It went downhill after that when they laid off lots of engrs, 10k sr engr took early retirement, and especially when they past over Alan M for CEO and Alan went over to Ford and saved Ford
Next came McDonald Douglas buying Boeing with Boeings money and Douglas took over by putting $ over engineering and quality
And looks wharlt happened since, poor design and quality from 737max, 787, 767 tanker and now 777axe will be delayed at least 5 years. Boeing has lost its ways and its engineering has lost its expertise as 787 program pushed everything to the suppliers. Here we are... lost in endless motion pushing papers

There isn’t a single engineering manger at Boeing these days who has any significant engineering experience much less a PE license or any patents. They all got their jobs from incestuous relationships and Boeing resembles West Virginia Appalachia in many ways. Glad you escaped before wasting too much of your time.

I worked for several Fortune 50 companies in my 25 year career, I went to Boeing and lasted 1.5 years and quit. It boggled my mind that a major corporation could be managed so poorly. It was a joke.