https://www.the-sun.com/news/4975625/china-plane-crash-key-clue-unlock-mystery/
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They are running "grey hairs" out by the bushel and replacing them with woke kids who don't have a clue on how to work for an airplane company and have to take leaves of absence if they get talked too in a stern manner.
Trust me. Anything that Boeing manufactured in the last 10 years is of very questionable quality. It is good that FAA is now taking a more active role in looking at every airplane in great detail. But even this is probably not enough to ensure safety given the goings on at Boeing.
So true... Boeing also removed many of the original 737 safety features designed to prevent a runaway stab event during the 737 Next Generation iteration to save manufacturing cost. Had they been retained, the 737Max accidents would not have happened. Bob Bogash sent comments after the 737Max accidents to make them aware of this issue. Don't have a clue if FAA considered any of them. It would be sad and tragic if this turns out to be the cause.
https://beta.regulations.gov/comment/FAA-2020-0686-0169
@Ang
It's looking like the 737s lack of safe separation and redundancy of electrical and hydraulic lines may well be the cause.
These long outdated and less safe airplane designs should NOT be allowed to be endlessly modified, recertified and allowed to operate under long outdated and less safe FAA regulations.
Stabilizer drive sc--w found in full nose down position.
@6ank --- ZERO Reports to backup your statement.
Are you auditioning for a spot on the
Confederate News Network (CNN)?
Explosive decompression took out controls and communications. Official release on weekend after market closes.
This company has become an embarrassment. Too bad the executives will see zero accountability per the usual.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2022/03/30/2003775693
As relations between Washington and Beijing remain strained,
and China has ambitions to become a leader in global aviation,
an unfavorable outcome could sideline Boeing in a key travel market
https://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2022/03/30/p09-220330-gp.jpg
The End Is Nigh
@3naz
My guess and it's just that
But when considering all the projects that are now insolvent
due to outright mismanagement and criminal negligence
CHAPTER 13 is my guess
That said the only thing that the financing rolling in is our sales backlog...
The World Needs A Boeing - Just not this Boeing
All I know is that Boeing has created a fast spinning revolving door process to get as many of their executives their severance packages within the next 18 months. I don't have a clue what this means for the rest of us lower down on totem pole...likely layoffs or just a cease work directive at some point.
How many 737 MAX Jets will we need to sell to climb out of the
20 billion dollar debt created by the mismanagement of the Max Program
??????????
Well selling just 40, 737’s per month at a profit of 2,000,000 each
We would need to sell --10,000-- MAX Jets to recoup the 20 billion
This will take 20.833 years
SO Good Job – Boeing Board of Bankers and Financial Engineers
Airbus backlog is double the Boeing backlog. COMAC backlog is already half the Boeing backlog.
Boeing has been selling 737Maxs at a loss since the end of the 20 month grounding. Will the potential Delta sale if it actually happens be the first profitable sale since then? How many 737Maxs will we need to sell to break even given the development and law suit costs? 737Max-10 may need to develop a crew alerting system if not certified this year...and FAA just stated this year certification is not likely.
How many 787s will we need to sell to break even given the development cost and the now nearly one year delivery shutdown for manufacturing defects?
How many 777Xs will we need to sell to break even given the development cost and current non-certifiable FAA status?
How many USAF 767 tankers will we need to sell to break even given the development cost and non-operational USAF status.
What is the status of the fixed price 747-400 Air Force One contract given all the supplier exodus and law suits?
How many NASA crew launches will we need to sell to break even on Starliner project given the development cost?
How much more Boeing real estate is left to sell off to generate cash flow for executive bonuses?
So yes, Boeing has a few more problems than the recent China accident...
Boeing's problems in China go far beyond the latest grounding:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/27/business/boeing-china-problems/index.html
The decision to ground the Boeing model 737-800, was made by
China Eastern Airlines, which operated the jet that crashed March 21,
Кіlling all 132 on board.
The cause of the crash has yet to be determined, and the grounding could
be lifted soon. If it turns out the cause was not mechanical.
IF the latest loss of life was not again related to Boeing’s now infamous
Shoddy workmanship or its “third world type” cost cutting measures
Losing a market as important as China would be a devastating blow to Boeing
which has been hit by one problem after another over the last three years,
starting with the 737 Max cгasҺes and then the pandemic,
which all but obliterated demand for flying and devastated the finances
of its airline customers.
More recently, there have been issues with its latest model,
the 787 Dreamliner, halting deliveries.
In 2017 and 2018 China accounted for more than 20% of Boeing's
global deliveries, but since the start of 2020 the percentage has dropped
to below 5%. (Boeing gets most of its revenue when a plane is delivered.)
Sun March 27, 2022
Are they still using Bondo auto body filler to imitate rivets when they over drill holes and can't use real rivets?
Who Would You Trust, Boeing or the CCP / CAAC ?
Who has the best reputation when it comes to lying about their airplanes?
Who has a Long History with cover-ups and criminality related to there
Entire Operation
BOEING that’s who!!!
Who would scapegoat there own employees into prison to cover-up their crimes?
BOEING that’s who!!!
CAAC has proven to be far more diligent than FAA in recent years. China has had a safer airline network than the USA in recent years. And China airplane market is the same size as the USA market and will surpass it later this year by leaps and bounds. I am sure Boeing PR will be spinning all sorts of conspiracy theories before too long. That's what Boeing does best these days...in addition to paying massive executive bonuses and buying off DOJ and congress.
US NTSB suggested to China Aviation Admin that they will assist in their investigation but so far the team seem still be in US due to some Covid19-related travel documents difficulty with Chinese authority. Some news said they retrieved one of the two black boxes (voice recorder) and would extract data from it soon without NTSB/Boeing representatives presences. I am worried about the transperancy of Chinese-led investigations because they may delete some of the info from transcripts if the preliminary results show that the cause have nothing to do with 737 design but some pilot emergency issues in the cockpit.
Boeing proved that money can resolve all problems so I am sure they own enough congressmen to get the 737Max 10 certified no matter what.
https://youtu.be/OyKWxSRiPx4
Why any airline would fly them is another matter. I guess most people are clueless about what they are flying and some airlines use that as their business model when they can get them so cheap from Boeing these days.
Definitely an unusual accident for sure. Makes you wonder if the failure resulted in loss of both communication and flight control systems. 737s are not fly by wire airplanes...just steel cables and pulleys between the flight deck and the control surfaces. I seem to recall that 737s lack safe separation and redundancy of electrical and hydraulic lines...but the FAA grandfathered this for Boeing These old airplane designs also don't have a very good pilot alerting system either like more modern airplanes are required to have these days and the FAA grandfathered this too for Boeing. But the FAA recently stated that the 737MAX-10 may miss this year ending grandfathering exemption and it may not be certified under these easier safety compliance regulations because of this.
Sounds like a structural failure, followed by emergency descent and level off, followed by nosedive and crash. Structural failure in such a new airplane is very unusual. Lack of mayday given all time that transpired is very unusual. They found the flight deck voice recorder which should shed more definitive info on the cause.