Why isn't AK making the mandate a WW policy for all IBMers?
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AK is taking his cues from the current administration. These are people who are planning to further weaponize the IRS against the American people by doubling its size. People who aren't tied to any particular political belief and still have eyes to see need to open them up. The people at the top of the food chain - whether its within IBM or within our Fed Govt are hypocrites who do NOT give a rat's @ss about us or our opinions. Here in America - as the old saying goes - it took over 200 years, but we traded one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants 1 mile away.
Other countries, including Germany, have laws against these kind of mandates. They understand what happens when you give "leaders" that level of power over individuals.
Stay home cowering in fear if you don't want to be around those who refuse to be injected with experimental gene therapy with no long-term data. It's what you little authoritarians do best.
@1dpr+1duC8Hzp: Nothing in the post you quoted was a lie. It's all verifiable. You'd need to do about 10 min of research to verify it yourself. I'll presume you know how to do so.
Regarding spike proteins reaching the bloodstream, this has been documented in some cases by qualified medical staff as actually happening. Why are you denying facts and science?
Regarding death rates, you seem to object to a 1% death rate being reasonable. Well, I have some sad news for you then....Influenza has a similar death rate, even with a vaccine. If you even look at most medications and vaccines, every one of them out there also has a certain percentage of those who will have severe adverse side effects, including death.
Again, you can sit there and spout off your opinion as "fact" all you want, but when the real facts get in the way, you may want to rethink your opinion. I dont expect to change anyone's mind, because if anyone looks at this objectively, it's clear that science has been thrown out the window long ago, and as Terry McCauliffe would say, this crisis is not going to waste. I actually blame the politicization of this on Kamala Harris - the first public figure to make it political when she said during the 2020 VP debate "if Trump tells us to get the vaccine, I'm not getting it." Well, now you have people on the "other side" who refuse to trust their government officials, and these same people are wondering why.
Bottom line: If these vaccines actually worked well, there would be a lot less breakthrough cases. If these vaccines worked well, the government wouldn't HAVE to be pushing people this hard and essentially threaten people's livelihood, making them take shots under duress. If these vaccines worked well, people in the medical profession would not be walking away from their jobs over it. If this vaccine worked well, the Jo--t Chiefs of Staff would not have to be threatening our fine military men and women with court martial or expulsion for refusing it, putting our nation at risk. If these vaccines worked well, you wouldnt need a mask (which is 10% effective, but thats a different story.) If these vaccines worked well, you wouldn't have a bunch of vaccinated Vaxhole Karens who live in fear over the prospect of being near someone who is not vaccinated.
You want to talk about critical thinking skills of a group of people - then make the discussion about the lemmings who blindly do whatever their government overlords tell them to do. It didnt work out so well for certain Eurasian countries in the 20th century. Maybe this time it will be "different." LOL.
Before you go spouting off at me, Im fully vaccinated. I made a choice. I respect every other American's right to choose whether or not they want this vaccine. I also choose to not live in fear of people who think differently than me. This isn't the Soviet Union. this isn't Communist China or some oppressive country like Iran. This is a Constitutional Representative Republic. I know that makes some folks angry to hear that. If you wish to live elsewhere, the countries I mentioned above may take you, and their form of government may be more suitable to your belief system. I'll even contribute to your plane ticket, if you promise to never return to the United States of America. I'll need your promise notarized.
Some people, a very small number, have religious objections. If you have had a vax in the past, you are not one of them
Incorrect. I received all of my childhood and adolescent vaccines before I was reborn in Christ and before I was aware that cells derived from aborted innocent human beings are used in the development, testing and production of many medical products.
Basic facts about vax hesitancy/refusal/whatever you want to call it.
- Some people, a very small number, have religious objections. If you have had a vax in the past, you are not one of them and you should think carefully about the morality of lying about your religion...
- Some people, legitimately can't get the shot (including the very young). This ALL THE MORE REASON for the rest of us to get vaxxed to help protect them.
- Outside of those two, if you object to getting the vax, either you have a political agenda, or you've been misled by somebody with a political agenda (who, if they work for Fox News, has themselves had the vax because it's been mandatory there for months.)
And yes, I know some people here think they know more about the safety, efficacy, and importance of the vaccine than the entire medical, scientific, and epidemiological community of the entire planet Earth, probably because they "did their own research" (i.e. they watched a video on YouTube made by somebody equally ill-informed). Those people really need to get over themselves.
@rmo+1duC8Hzp: I dont know any vax haters. In fact everyone I know has all their vaccines from when they were growing up, and get their flu shots every year etc. Many of them however don't wish to be injected with an experimental mRNA medical treatment that creates synthesized spike proteins in their system which could possibly reach their bloodstream causing more complications than C19 with its 99% survival rate and all. Many people also don't appreciate a supposedly Constitutional Republic's overbearing, overpriced, and overgrown government telling them what to put into their bodies, and many of them know that our private health choices are none of the Federal govt's or IBM's f'ing business. As far as vax haters though - nope - dont know any.
Trump got the vaccine rolled out so maybe Trump haters are not getting jab?
We all know #1 demographic not getting it are African Americans.
Is that a coincidence?
Is it my imagination or are there a lot of vax haters here? Don't be shy.
Weird question. The regulations IBM is complying with are from the U.S. government. I assume if (when) other countries adopt similar mandates, the requirement will also expand to those countries.
Because of the bottom line ($). If you noticed, Biden let the USPS have an exemption. think about that - these folks handle everyone's mail daily. Easy way to spread germs. Why are they exempt? Hundreds of thousands of union members that Biden counts on to vote for him (among other things that would get this post deleted).
None of this is about science. It's about politics, money and power...and yes, I'm fully vaccinated. I just don't like hypocritical lying politicians, which is also what AK really is.
Both the president and IBM's declarations are predicated at least in part on the ready availability of vaccines. India, where IBM has a large operation currently has about 22% of its population fully vaccinated. Even Texas looks good compared to that (53% fully vaccinated.)
We assume, without proof, that the within each of those jurisdictions, the IBM population has a higher uptake of the vaccine than the general population. (Being more educated and enlightened and all.)
The average unvaccinated, urban Texan probably has to drive past 4 vaccine clinics on the way to lunch. So it is easily possible to meet the requirement there. (If one were so inclined.)
Clearly, India has a lot more work to do. (They are trying pretty hard but it is an awesomely large place.) Going full out, by December 8 it is very unlikely that enough IBM employees could be vaccinated. Eventually that policy will be possible in India (and Philippines (24%) and Brazil -- same per vaccinated as Texas but with less availability -- and ...)
Canada, Germany, the UK and other rich countries could easily support a similar policy. Probably in some places like China there is sufficient government incentive to vaccinate the population that IBM would not benefit from having its own policy.
US employees is where the highest costs are… so, this is where the cost needs to come down first.
The same reason Biden isn't making it mandatory for govt officials.
You finally figuring it out yet Einstein?
If not, you better start working on your checkpoint.