People had until the first week of Sept to decide and those that took it will have to leave the company by the end of Oct. I assume they should be announcing the outcome of the campaign and how many people have (or will) be forced out very soon.
Thoughts?
@gqng+1d45PGwe either you are getting very bad intel or are just trolling. Because I have personally spoke with someone in engine who accepted the offer and was glad to be free of the place.
They froze vssp and moves in engine.
@4cka+1d45PGwe They get rated based on how quickly they respond so that is why you see them replying with a bunch of canned responses. The goal isn’t to be efficient and actually solve the problem, but rather to get a high rating and therefore be in line for higher pay. Ever see the beautiful presentations about how effective the help online is ? They always exceed their SLAs and are 99.99% effective. These stats go all the way up to CEO.
Management is to blame they are measuring and rewarding the wrong thing.
The simple items that they do solve could be solved with a bot, as has been pointed out and demonstrated to management many times. Front end bot, backend real person with real knowledge and skills (North America PC help desk). Oh but we can’t disrupt the narrative of how effective the help online is, because that would shine a light on many other false stories.
Ten years ago an LL4 stated in an all hands meeting “we have to build up Ford customers in India, employees are our best customers in NA so we need more employees in India”. Attendees were all looking at each other, as the implication was clear to us.
Ten years on they found that Ford of India employees did not all go out and buy 2-3 Ford vehicles per employee as projected by Ford leadership. Oopsie.
Not related to the topic, but my experience with the IT help desk have been very mixed over the years. They read from a script or some sort of process sheet. In the chat line you post your issue and the repeatedly ask you want the problem is. I can't tell you how many times that tell me to reboot the computer.
I have gone as far as to send the transcript of the chat line to the managers and directors in to show the absurdity of some of these conversation. They always respond back with the standard response but nothing changes.
I no longer use the help line, Now I email all my questions to a pc help address that I was given when I was given after a particular incident. Someone on the US side always contacts me regarding the issue. My problems get solved with much less time and aggravation.
@3rpq You touched on some points I wasn't going to and I relived that nightmare job. I am the OP of the @3zsh post.
While I was the 'token white guy', I learned we were running with a skeleton crew. Barely a skeleton crew. I was in a support role and the Indian contracting company was so cheap and milking the contract that we had only 2 support shifts both being 12 hour+ days. One onshore and one off. I have always worked in a 3 shift 8-9 hour on-call rotation with overlap. (I did that schedule for 9 months because it took them 3 months to get me access to everything I needed to do my job. And there was no onboarding plan. My health deteriorated.)
It was on-call he-l. Everything the dev team handed over came with extra instructions because nothing the dev team installed worked as intended. And was never, ever fixed. So we had workarounds for literally everything.
The person I was replacing only lasted a year in the role I took. Same with the person before him. I later learned that I was the 3rd person to accept this role. The 2 before me bailed. I suspect they were tipped off about how bad the job was. That's probably why they offered a signing bonus.
@3xlp+1d45PGwe , it is shocking how much waste/bureaucracy (pretending to be productive work) gets approved and paid for by clients, whether the waste is internally generated by internal I.T. type groups, or in external firms. it's like they have no idea at all what they are doing when they sign off on contracts and manage those contracts. some of them know the buzz words for things, but they have no idea of the meaning behind them. what a time to be a grifter in I.T., man-o-man...
@3zsh Spouse had a similar experience after leaving FoMoCo and working at Indian Contractor firm. Spouse was the token white guy. Spouse was doing all the heavy lifting — finding root causes of problems, coding,testing,implementing solutions. Then 29 Indians would create spreadsheets, project plans to roll out the solution, daily meetings to communicate the work “they” had done to the client account management. Initially they all were friendly, until they somehow found out spouse was making $30 more per hour than they were. Then the knives came out and it became decidedly unpleasant. Spouse stopped trying to train his coworkers and advised the contacting firm to find a replacement for him, they doubled his rate while they looked for a replacement, which they never found.
It was interesting to see the contracting business model was to bill the client for 29 “skilled” workers while 1 person is actually doing the work and 29 people are making busywork for themselves. Then these “skilled” workers get pawned off on other companies.
I don’t trust what management shares about target and meeting targets. Before SRD we were told our organization had more voluntary PRPs than was needed and they were concerned about knowledge loss and needing to backfill some of the positions. We were also told that if a team did need to reduce head count to match the manager/direct report ratio people would be moved to open positions on other teams. On SRD day they still walked out a hand full of long term employees who were definitely not slackers and no one was moved to open positions. Those positions were filled with new hires and young under qualified people. The question is not “did we meet target”, it’s “did the people we want to lose take voluntary”.
As a whole, Industrial Platform did not meet its target. Some skill teams overachieved and people will be reallocated to those areas from the areas that did not achieve.
The week after acceptance notifications were sent out to the employees and their supervisors, our supervisor told us that 30 people took to offer under our director, about 6% of the Ford employees. We have around 30% PS and contract.
I think Kumar mentioned in one of the Ford + meeting that they were targeting 10% taking the offer.
I worked at Ford for a number of years. I am glad to be out of that rat race. I spent more time in meetings and metrics than actually doing my job. Give me a non turbo V-8 , without all the tech and government safety requirements (except catalytic converter) verses EV,s and I will be happy. Bring back vehicles that customers want not something you think they should have.
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@2jha+1d45PGwe What are you smoking?
Ford has repeatedly laid off a slew of employees then immediately handed out promotions and refilled positions often times even expanding the numbers of employees.
For you to say otherwise means you either aren’t a Ford employee, or have been a Ford employee for less than a year, or are out of touch perhaps smoking a bit too much of the good stuff?
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You and the people who gave a positive responses are either trolls who don't work for the company, or bitter PS/contract employees who should just be happy to even have a job.
In either case you have no idea how the company operates.
If Ford makes Covid vaccines mandatory and fires those who do not comply, maybe involuntary separations won't be necessary ;-)
@2vsu+1d45PGwe what they meant was the positions were being re-filled, not the people rehired.
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"Oh this is rich, our LL5 announced she will backfill the slots of people taking VSSP."
Not true. Employees who take the VSSP program can not be rehired, either direct or through a contract company. This is clearly marked in the separation agreement we have to sign.
They continue to move salaried positions to India. Who will be left in this "American" company?
Oh this is rich, our LL5 announced she will backfill the slots of people taking VSSP.
Here we thought the goal of the VSSP was to reduce head count.
She also announced that she would be creating a new LL6 position.
Here we go again, purge-promote-plump back up.
One of our “leaders” is famous for saying you motivate your team with fear or demoralization. Always found that interesting as I think what he means is Control not Motivate, as he actually demotivated everyone but the bootlickers.
So which are you demoralized or fearful?
I hope those fellow workers who were told to find another job with Jobs Online find one. A friend of mine who works in FC IT is impacted by the jobs shifting to Ford of India. He has not been able to find a job on Jobs Online. He applied for two which he was over-qualified for and was not even interviewed (supervisors claimed he did not have required skills). Those jobs were given to Indians residing in USA, neither of which were qualified, but were friends with the supervisors (also Indian). He told me his coworkers (the ones that actually do work) are having the same experience.
My suspicion is that there is a game being played to ensure certain demographics do not find another job within Ford and then are released because they do not possess skills that Ford needs.
When the senior management reports the results they usually say they met or not. A particular organization will will tell their employees how many accepted the offer. I hear rumblings that IT just told 350 people they no longer have a job and to start looking on Jobs online? Work was outsourced to India. They had 100 people take the VSSP. I imagine PD will see the brunt of the pending cuts and I imagine they will come unexpected. So major purges will hit inside of 24 months.. Massive cuts. What new programs are out there? EVs & Hybrids are based off of current product.