Thread regarding Northwestern Mutual layoffs

The point is that NM is not going to allow people to work from home permanently to avoid getting vaccinated. This would be burdensome to manage. It would also play favoritism to employees who choose not to be vaccinated.
I don't want to get vaccinated so I work from home. I am vaccinated so I have to come into the office. Really!
Maybe it will work & be allowed IF you work in a non-home office location (other than Milwaukee OR New York).
Time will tell.

@Nkab+1cYUrCsv writes "I don't think the OSHA mandate will allow for unvaccinated employees to work from home. As it reads - co's with 100+ employees. It does not matter if they work at home or in the office. NM canNOT get away with telling employees who are unvaccinated that they will have to work from home"

This is very much allowed. The temporary order (1910 Subpart U - COVID–19) does not apply to employees working from home.

1910. 501(b)(3) The requirements of this section do not apply to the employees of covered employers:

(i) Who do not report to a workplace where other individuals such as coworkers or customers are present;
(ii) While working from home; or
(iii) Who work exclusively outdoors.

If a condition of your employment is to be vaccinated than you have to show it. Providing false information would be a reason to let you go. I haven't seen the full OSHA requirement but not certain that remote work is accepted for companies with 100+ worker not to be fined.

Those that are remote were told they can continue to work from home, since that is what they were doing before the pandemic. Yet, everyone that hasn’t uploaded their vaccination record was sent an email asking them if they’ve been vaccinated or not. If we’re not required to be in office why are we being asked if we’re vaccinated or not? Why would it matter if we are vaccinated or not, if we’re not in the office? Are they looking to fire those that aren’t vaccinated, even if they are remote and not coming into the office? That doesn’t make sense. What if we don’t want to answer that email and disclose our vaccination status?

I don't think the OSHA mandate will allow for unvaccinated employees to work from home. As it reads - co's with 100+ employees. It does not matter if they work at home or in the office. NM canNOT get away with telling employees who are unvaccinated that they will have to work from home because that's probably exactly what they want/ It places an unfair burden on those that are vaccinated and have to come in to the office to work. It would be discriminatory. I'd be the first one to report this to OSHA so they can be fined. The vaccinated do not want to be in close contact with the unvaccinated at work. As long as it is a federal and employer rule employees will have to comply. Or, I say...time to file the lawsuits that never got filed for the age discrimination that has taken place since at least 2016 with forced retirements. Eventually the 'stink' will catch up with them.

If you look at what the company said - return to work or else - and the new vac mandates for large employers, will the company flip flop again and say if you are unvaccinated you must work at home and be tested regularly? Wonder how many vaccinated employees would take that option to avoid going back to work. If they do require everyone to return to the office, there will be unhappy vaccinated people working in close quarters with unvaccinated. No matter how you do this, it is going to be a disaster and a PR nightmare at the Home Office.

How will Don get 50+ rounds in at Milwaukee Country Club (20+ alone since the beginning of August) if he has to return to the office? Inquiring minds want to know.

Do you don't honestly expect them to be honest in employee meetings?

Of course they didn't announce vaccine mandate come January vs. now during the opt in phase. They are trying to 'listen' to reaction 1st.

Beware, scream loud & be heard IF they allow the unvaccinated to work from home while the vaccinated have to work in person!

Where are you getting the 25% attrition number? This has been asked in employee meetings and nothing like that number has been stated. Is it possible that the people you mention in HR had agreements prior to the pandemic to be remote workers? Missing from your posting is also that the individual departments will be deciding in the next month if they have employees who can work remotely or via a hybrid approach. Lastly, while I'm not sure I'd want to be back in the office full-time, it is a reasonable expectation of a company to have given that it was part of employment prior to the pandemic.

We need this site to add a thesaurus to it to build a stronger vocabulary of expression, the dash's we are not getting the meaning of the words that are being said. Add it to the backlog.

I w-nt t- b- he-rd b-t th-s i- h-w I t-pe. Also I need my red swingline stapler back.

"I heard" you don't even work there bu-t out and shut the fu-k up

Currently yes you need to be fully vaccinated to be part of the opt in. When the office return mandate was emailed out I heard it was not mentioned. Don will march Raj or Todd out there get the shots from the workforce while he works at home with his dogs, out of sight out of mind, it’s called Silver Fox leadership.

You are full of sh-t, thats not been said and attrition is not as high as that.

Does any of this surprise you? If you don't live in the NY or Milwaukee area you will be able to continue working remotely. Think about hose they hired during the pandemic when working remotely was all there was. These people are not suddenly going to move to Milwaukee. They will keep their jobs if someone in leadership at NM wants them.

NM has always valued & preferred employees to work on site unless of course in tech you are having late night calls with offshore. How could they start allowing some to work from home & others not; i.e parents? It wouldn't be fair.

A company makes the choice and they will only change it if it suits them; i.e. they can't find qualified employee's. It's a great way to trim staff without severance packages. The same goes for vaccine requirements.

Is NM requiring everyone to be vaccinated in order to come back to the office?

The world of work is in a dramatic shift right now. NM could choose to get rid of the real estate/office building in Franklin and locate a separate BCP site. Then, they could decide by job function remote work.

As for tech function leaving - no surprise there. Many are unqualified to do their jobs; including those in leadership. The offshore contingent is mostly done by incompetent workers with a few who know what they are doing leading the charge. They would be better off dismissing offshore workers & hiring competent workers onshore. They would probably come out even In the end because they have no idea about the wasted cost in offshore workers including those who are onshore (from offshore).