Vaccine Requirement will Split Company

The Vaccine Requirement is a dangerous precedent for the company to take on. Even though I, myself, have no issues with any individual choosing to receive the COVID-19 Vaccine, the "Mandate" aspect is the dangerous component.

If you notice, anytime Brian or another EVP speaks on this, chat and Q&A are disabled. This is likely because they do not want employees discussing with one another. I would venture to say that more employees are hesitant of this mandate than they like to believe. Even if you are pro-vaccine, you can still be against the mandate.

It is also incredibly unfair to not share all of the details with all associates so that we know the risk vs. reward. For example, it is unfair to not be absolutely clear what happens on November 2nd. The FAQ simply says associates could be "subject for termination". They cannot guarantee that all unvaccinated associates will be terminated because they don't know the number yet. What if 1,000 employees do not get vaccinated? They cannot terminate that many employees (even though we can see that possibility). CareFirst is a diverse workforce and not everyone is a robot that just believes everything said from the executive leaders.

We also have no data on what the vaccination exemption process looks like. This is NOT a coincidence. They want employees to be scared into following the mandate. The uncertainty is what will drive people to adhering to the mandate. This is ethically wrong. Give people all of the information so each person can make the best decision for them. What if the exemption process is not implemented until Oct. 1, someone applies, and it is denied Oct. 15. You now only have 15 days to get fully vaccinated, which according to the CDC, includes the 2nd shot from Pfizer or Moderna, so how can someone be fully vaccinated by Nov. 1? Its unfair to not have that in place AT the announcement.

Lastly, this precedent is dangerous because it makes you wonder what is next. Will there be a surcharge on those that have medical or religious exemptions and are not vaccinated? For CF members in the future, will premiums be raised for the unvaccinated or for groups who do not mandate vaccinations in the future? Will benefits be suspended for members who choose to not get vaccinated and end up in the hospital due to COVID?

It simply makes you wonder.

Again, the encouragement of vaccine is not the issue. The Mandate is the concern.

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Like someone said, what counts for being "vaccinated" will change and again people will be required to attest as to their booster status. It will be never ending.

New Jersey hospital system requiring those who got J&J shots to get boosters:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article255384931.html

And so it begins..........the real reason behind 1,800+ flight cancellations this weekend on Southwest Airlines?? https://onemileatatime.com/news/southwest-airlines-operational-meltdown/

We were told the vaccine is safe. We were told - get the vaxx and you won’t get COVID. We were told - breakthroughs are very rare and if u get COVID, you won’t be that sick. Well, in my small part of the world, I personally know the following people: 47 y.o person hospitalized 10 days post vaxx with stroke (a healthy, thin person with no risk factors); 49 y.o. person with kidney failure 10 days post vaxx. Almost died - now on dialysis (had a kidney transplant 11 years ago and was doing fine. Transplant doc told her that 5 of his other patients had kidney failure post vaxx.); over 10 vaxxed friends have had COVID; one vaxxed friend just recently died.

Needless to say, vaccines have consequences-this is why there can be NO Mandate!

I am proud to work at a company that required this. The right move.

EVERY associate needs to carefully review the paperwork before signing or agreeing to anything.

It is very possible that the ‘vaccinated’ will be considered ‘unvaccinated’ once the boosters are rolled out. This is being reported in other countries and the logical progress of this concept suggests that this will be implemented in the States.

The vaccine is currently being administered under an Emergency Use Agreement and not approved by the FDA (per FDA letter dated August 23, 2021, pages 2 and 12). One never knows what the future holds; therefore, one must never forfeit their rights (legal or otherwise).

clearly the date of 10/15 is for staffing concerns. The date wasn't mentioned until today which shows that they are starting to get concerned with how many they are going to lose.

Well folks the man has just moved the mandate date to 10/15. Employees will see the paperwork next week and have under a month to become fully vaxed. Oh and even though POTUS said vaccinate or have weekly test our guy said nope not an option. Vax or go is his motto

2 weeks to "flatten the curve" has turned into "give us your 2 week notice"

Only 65% of the company signed the "Better Together" pledge. If you are hesitant about the vaccine mandate, you are NOT ALONE. Talk to each other. There are others who think the same as you.

Just gonna wait for Nov2. There are many like me.

a lot of back and forth on opinions but glad to see that we can at least agree that cf is a terrible place to work

I think the poster is missing the point. You should be vaccinated because it's the right thing to do (maybe you don't want to die?).

I am sad for those that turn away from science. Please get your shots - the rest of us want to live.

CareFirst is a terrible place to work and on a downward slide - but not because of this.

This is a very well written post. If only certain people at this company would see this and maybe think twice about the "decision" (as he calls it) that they are forcing on employees. What made our fearless leader think it was a good idea to mandate this considering just over HALF of the employees did his d-mb pledge? Clearly it was going to cause issues for the other half. I also agree that it is ridiculous that the exemption process is taking way this long. The plan is looking like it will be to drag it on as long as possible so employees can be denied with little time to find another job or even get the jab on time. Also, what about liability for an ill reaction to this shot? Will the company claim liability? Not a chance for a shot they praise as being COMPLETELY SAFE. So many unanswered questions and yet we get the runaround every time the CEO talks about a "discussion that has to happen". When will this discussion actually happen?

I contend that CareFirst stands to lose 40-50% of its staff. The sad (and arrogant) thing is that they have no idea this might happen. Perhaps this is due to blind arrogance? Group think? We Americans all contain a fierce rebel gene. Simply ask the Brits! You tell us we can’t do something and viola, we do it with extreme gusto. If the scientists that have circumvented the intense censorship are correct, many of the remaining CareFirst employees will perish or be physically harmed in such a way as to not be able to carry on with business anyway. The mandate is a lose lose decree. Freedom and the US Constitution are still valid and integral parts of our lives as American Citizens. Let’s not even mention The Nuremberg Code…

Diversity and inclusion does not apply to people who question the vax.

I'm not anti-vax at all, but I am anti-mandate. HUGE difference. HUGE!!

This is a back-handed way to talk anti-vax trash. The Mandate is completely fine and there have been vaccine mandates for jobs/travel/school for ages.

Grow up.

Nailed it!!! Exactly!!! This mandate is WRONG on many levels. Don't be bullied!!

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