Thread regarding MetricStream, Inc layoffs

need rigorous interview process

As someone who has spent close to 5 years in the company, I have seen the history in Metricstream to an extent. Among many, one of the reasons we had layoffs in 2017 is our bloated staff structure especially in non billable teams. We had more than the required number of people in QC, HR, Finance etc especially in high cost destinations outside of India. There were many non-performing people in Sales, Marketing also. That brought the whole ship down. So, we had to resort to layoffs to bring things back on track.

I am worried we have a similar situation now especially among the onsite finance and accounting team. People who are under-qualified for the role are staying in the US only because they have been with us for a long time. Many of them are frogs in the well who have very limited knowledge of the outside world. Nobody will hire them. Hence they all the more cling to their current role. Lots of what they do can be easily done from India at 25% of the cost. They don’t even know how to conduct an interview properly. With total lack of knowledge of revenue recognition, they have conducted a hurried interview and hired a totally inexperienced person as Director of Revenue Accounting. Look at this person’s profile on LinkedIn and you will know that there is no basic evidence of prior US GAAP experience in product companies that have a meaningful amount of revenue. So this person is not able to offer practical guidance on software accounting, Saas, cloud etc and is learning everything on the job from the scratch at the expense of our company. I am sure a Director level resource would cost the company easily USD 180,000 per year.

With that kind of money you can hire people with good revenue accounting experience acquired over a period of 10 years and they will be able to design the company’s accounting policy. We are now trying to move into SaaS and not just stick to traditional software selling. Did anyone conduct a thorough technical interview and ask this person to give examples of how it was handled in previous jobs? Was any reference checks done about relevant experience on revenue accounting? How many listed companies with Software and SaaS background has this person either audited or worked for? The answer is None! Reading the US GAAP and offering bookish explanations is not what is expected at the Director level. That is what an entry level junior CPA would do. For the kind of money we are paying we could have hired a better hand with strong experience who would be able to play a leadership role. But the people who conduct interviews don’t know how to ask the right questions and do thorough technical assessment.

Many of the India based Chartered Accountants and CPAs are aspiring for a short term to medium term onsite opportunity. But that is denied citing cost issues. However, the same leadership does not find it expensive to hire a Director level resource with zero relevant experience. Based on our conversations and investigation we figured out that this person has not worked at all for nearly 12 years and you can quickly see through that there is no depth! You hire a Financial Analyst level resource at a senior level and pay a Director’s salary so that this person can hopefully one day play a Director level role. What a waste! Educational qualifications cannot compensate for lack of experience. Past experience in startups with either zero revenue or extremely low revenue does not count for our purposes. At startups many people are given a senior level title to just attract talent. A company of our size has to have some standards and do background checks.

We hear of the same problem in some of the Engineering teams recruitments also at times. But in Engg team by and large we have a strong recruitment process, When will the management start recognizing talent from within? When will they improve the interviewing process and not jump into hiring someone to just quickly fill the role? When will we learn to differentiate between glorified resumes/LinkedIn profile and genuine experience? Most importantly, once you know you have made a wrong hire and the Company is not getting any value from the person how will you rectify it quickly rather than continue to justify it. Onsite finance & accounting team as a whole needs overhaul. That would help us save cash and prevent a 2017 kind of layoff situation again.

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Post ID: @OP+19d4a735

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The individual running accounting lacks SaaS knowledge. He has failed to keep employees. He doesn't read his email or keep records. Accounting is subpar. MSI hires and overpays friends and family members from the top down. Management is subpar and numerous key senior leaders have also left

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Post ID: @bNhtc+19d4a735

I the initial post was a year ago. From then till now, no changes. Management has continued to hire talents from outside and added either Sr or Associate Director/Manager in front of the title. On further research, no management skills noted on the new hires profile/resume. No skills on people management and how to tackle direct reports. End Result: handful of direct reports have left across the organization

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Post ID: @5Zbog+19d4a735

So, What finally happened here?

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Post ID: @5Sakc+19d4a735

Not just our engineering team bro. It’s an Over staffed US finance and accounting department with many directors and VPs draining companies resources. Many inexperienced people with so called fake ‘director’ experience and title have no credibility but have managed to bluff their way through the interview process. There is no pyramid structure. Is anyone highlighting this to CFO and HR? Why not give opportunities to our internal finance talent from the India team that has shown loyalty to the company for many years? Why this obsessing over external talent even when they don’t bring any relevant experience? Why not keep the costly US overhead cost structure low?

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Post ID: @3unae+19d4a735

So what happened after all this hue and cry? Did anything change? Does anyone know?

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Post ID: @3rxua+19d4a735

I agree. not director material. hope India finance team members with experience are given their due recognition than outsiders that fake their previous experience. in a startup anybody can easily get a Director, VP, SVP title. for a company of our size and existence for many years, the title we give people should be appropriate based on skills and relevant experience, which is lacking in this case

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Post ID: @31lbm+19d4a735

Man, you seem to have done lot of investigation here. So what next happened in this situation?

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Post ID: @30iga+19d4a735

sad but true internal candidates are subjected to 1000 questions and scrutiny but when it comes to external candidates the company carelessly hires people who fake their experiences. they are in fact rewarded with more pay than existing employees. hope somebody takes up your case. it happens in engg and sales too at times

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Post ID: @2asbo+19d4a735

So nothing has changed on the ground. It is up to the finance leadership in the US to answer why internal talent is ignored but outsiders with absolutely no experience or totally weak experience from startups that have paltry revenue are hired to manage revenue accounting for a mid size company of our size. Also, what lessons will we learn from this episode to put checks and balance for future hiring decisions? People can fake experiences during interviews and claim to have done things they have not done. We should do a thorough interview to spot gaps and lack of depth. There are many talents in the Bay Area market with real revenue recognition experience in US GAAP software, cloud, hosting and saas models from companies that have a meaningful amount of revenue. Why have we failed to hire talent that can lead the function with confidence? Why do you sign up to incur $185K+ on a resource that has no relevant experience. This shows how poorly interviews are conducted to assess capabilities

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Post ID: @13xsp+19d4a735

If you are talented you will not get what you want. There is a shortcut, just bootlick your boss it's effortless and easy path to get promotion or on-site.

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Post ID: @Uzja+19d4a735

sorry to know the situation is same with delivery and engg. offshore finance team members with many years in our company has aspirations for growth and onsite rotation opportunities. But hiring outside talent with no experience at director/senior level is surprising.

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Post ID: @Tdkq+19d4a735

Delivery and engineering is exceptionally high in US. Every manager or director or VP transferred their favorites to US and the number was high. Don't think favorite means the resource is technically good, favorite means same region, resource who bootlicker to their boss....etc. Half of engineering team is not required here, who foolish company spend money on resources to R&D from US where as same work can be easily doable from India. There are at least 10 employees in US engineering who are non billable and don't even support customers. Here everything is politics, play politics and get any positions and stay safe and fire employees.

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Post ID: @Gbni+19d4a735

So is our company making course corrections or is it continuing with it? Do such anomalies exist in Delivery and Sales too? Too many offshore finance team members careers have been overlooked. Please promote internal talent.

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Post ID: @Ahoa+19d4a735

Man, Every word you have written here is true. I checked and you are totally right. Thanks for informing many of us who would not have paid attention to this recruitment in the middle of our job pressures. Many in India finance are awaiting promotions for years and they are yet to get it. Rather than rewarding insiders who have toiled for MetricStream our management goes outside to hire a rank outsider with absolutely no relevant experience in US GAAP revenue accounting directly at a Director level. What an irony! Those who conducted the interview and took the decision to hire as a Director should be taken to task. When will this habit of paying outsiders (with less or no experience) more than insiders will be corrected? Hope some corrective action is taken soon and our Company learns from its mistakes. This would help avoid unnecessary overhead cost and prevent future layoffs. Trust our leaders in F&A function are careful in future and reward the loyalty of home grown finance talent

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Post ID: @jvbh+19d4a735

Yes truly nothing will change in this company, that is why they still call them self as startup and still running the company with investors money. Stop thinking about the company and start focusing on individual growth. Or play politics.

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Post ID: @6pbn+19d4a735

Any amount of complaints in this forum would make no difference. The company’s finance overhead teams in US will continue to be overstaffed and under qualified. However thanks for bringing out this specific case to people’s attention.

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Post ID: @4rec+19d4a735

You should remove half of metricstream strength to bring the change. Lot of them in US, UK are just surviving because of their manager they came from same region, cast, locality. Look at RND, Cloud, data architects what value they are adding to company, it's nothing but still they are sustained in every layoff. How? in metricstream what you know and what you can do is not important all you should know is whom to trap in the management. Changing your religion will help to sustain long in metricstream that hard work.

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Post ID: @1ifo+19d4a735

Dude, it's not your business, you are just a employee in the company. And employees will never have power to change anything. You get that power and then change, that way your life will be peaceful.

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