We are legacy APC with VSP and Some are offered to get hired back either as employee or contractor . We know it’s ethically wrong but, do we risk in losing VSP package?
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Why is it so bad? Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake and moving forward for the best interests of the company.
Not surprising OXY HR would come on here and spread more lies. I've got a signed waiver of the VSP clawback provision from VH herself. So, you either lying or lowly enough to not be privy to this information.
Hiring them back through contracting companies files under HR’s radar. But don’t ruin it for everyone so stop asking publicly.
@apmn—I honestly don’t know the answer to that one, but it is a good question. However I can tell you...once an employee exists, we want a clean break and a permanent break. It’s not written policy, but it is just general thought, especially in the oil industry. Once you’re gone, you’re gone.
Thanks for the clarification. What about hiring VSPers back through 3rd party contractors? Technically they are employees of the contracting shop.
I never comment on here, but geez, you people are so gullible that I feel I need to speak up. I've worked in HR for more than 20 years at OXY, and I can assure you that we HAVE NOT re-hired any VSP'ers, nor are there any talks to do so. Stop believing these lies, people.
Does the rehire payback of VSP apply to VSP people rehired as WES?
1/2 a million? That’s small potatoes. My package is huge. Definitely way over a milliin
uhmmm, so smart and specialized in their skill sets that the company had to hire them back after paying them to leave and they come on this board soliciting advice on a half a million dollar package. Got it, ask your question again Ace.
Not asking you to give YoUr DeTaILs, geez. It’s prob more than one department and not just YOURS! this question was directed to ANYONE—not you! Wow, so egotistical
What part of I'm not giving any more details about what I did (which includes department) do you folks not understand?
WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE RE-HIRING???????????
Yes. Who is this. I want the same deal.
What departments are offering to re-hire VSP?
@2eap+18h9v6ei oh, it's always been there. The oxy from 5 years ago was still a band of middle school misfits backstabbing each other while trying to do the least amount of work.
The same a– clowns on the EC now were there 5 years ago. GV, who does nothing but runs departments of bloat, Sandy Lowe - still no idea what he did, Ken Dillon who outsourced key competencies to Baker Hughes, JB ... Nuff said.
That's nice that they are bringing back APC folks to Oxy. Good on Oxy, the company is sooooo loyal to their employees.
2frg here to answer some question/issues that have come up.
Yes, I was legacy APC. I am not GOM but not going to give more details about exactly what I did at APC (and now do at Oxy).
I was brought back because I have a very specific skillset as well as legacy APC knowledge that was needed and just not available any longer. I have not heard of anyone else in a similar situation as me (i.e. legacy APC brought back).
I did not get a raise or signing bonus to come back but did get to keep all of my APC VSP payments. Technically my salary is actually lower. I agreed to that in exchange for the part-time hours and work from home arrangement. To the extent that there is any, I am eligible for bonuses just like anyone else. No special arrangements.
Very few people know that I'm back. I haven't advertised it, updated LinkedIn, spoken with anyone about it and I'm generally able to do what I need to do without interacting with too many folks.
@2qwt they can’t be GOM because they said they had an Oxy counterpart. GOM doesn’t have Oxy counterparts. They don’t know wth GOM does. They don’t even know what they don’t know yet.
You’re being trolled, son. Don’t believe everything you read on this reliable website.
So wait...someone leaves on VSP, gets paid a nice sum of money, stock awards, bonuses, etc paid out and then comes back and gets a sign-on bonus and/or raise?! And doesn’t have to pay any money back?! Meantime, others have busted their A**es on the integration and taken on the extra work of those who left and have received nothing?! Yea...way to lower morale even further.
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Oh and why would the company hire people who are not talented. These non talented people should be let go. This is what the real oil companies do. They don’t hire non talented people. Then again this outfit will never be like the majors.
Yes. But if you quit my company you don’t get back in. Period. No exceptions. Doesn’t matter how the company treats people that makes it right for people to come back. You don’t get back in. Not fair to those other talented people who have stuck with the job without ego and who have persevered. Go ahead and quit but don’t let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. Essentially these people are saying “ take this job and shove it, I ain’t working here no more” , just like Johnny Paycheck said. Want more rant? Now if you leave on a VSP or get laid off it is a different story.
@hrk+18h9v6ei So long as you aren't born differently, right, then you are fair game for systemic bullying and persecution and HR is all good with it.
Yeah. That's gonna end well. Always has on the news, hasn't it?
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I don’t know what world you live in but it’s very common for very talented people to be hired back. In this world without a defined benefit plan everyone is a free agent and exceptionally talented individuals are aggressively pursued and many times go back to a former employer. It happens frequently with the majors and independents.
@2eap+18h9v6ei Unfortunately Oxy did change. it's due to who they've been hiring under the new CEO and who the manager's promote, typically those who shine and don't work well with others. I've personally experienced a lot of this during my time at Oxy and have had to learn these lessons the hard way. Oxy is indeed no longer the Oxy it was before VH.
Sounds like you were APC. I couldn’t image them bringing back a legacy Oxy employee for contract work. Also, you must be GOM because there are not many people who can do those jobs.
There's absolutely nothing unethical about it. If Oxy wants you back and you can negotiate away to clawback provision, go for it. I was lucky enough the VSP very early on with enough to retire for good. Turns out my Oxy counterpart up and left in June and Oxy management came back to me asking for help. I was very hesitant to do so with the clawback provision, plus I rather enjoy the retired life. We came to an agreement to waive the clawback provision, part-time hours of my own choosing so long as the projects are completed, and 100% work from home post-pandemic. I end up putting in 25-30 hours per week (mostly on off hours), get some decent extra money and medical insurance for the family. Although I'm W2 employee again it's more like a consulting arrangement in that I get bothered very little from management other than to followup on projects. Plus, if I ever get tired of it, it gets too onerous, they try to change the terms (i.e. make me come to the office), I can just quit.
This is a sad way to look at work. If you don’t want to be a team player then get out. Where have these negative attitudes come from. Did APC bring them in or did the change of CEO cause it? The Oxy from 5 years ago was very team oriented in a genuine and constructive way.
@1zbd+18h9v6ei Completely agree. Oxy does not care.
#1 way to survive is to be territorial and keep other coworkers OUT OF YOUR WORK. Dog eat dog world in Oxy. If your doing 2-4 peoples work, it means your worthy of being kept around.
#2 If your manager s—s, find a hierarchical close by manager who will vouch and brag on behalf of you.
#3 Drown out competition from functionally similar teammates. If they get complimented, you vouch for your work right after. Alienate and isolate that coworker if possible, in a friendly sort of way.
#4 Talk about golf.
I heard that too. And the fired person also got a sign on bonus and a bump up in grade and salary. Go figure.
Oxy can do whatever they want.
I have seen people fired and then re-hired several months later by another Oxy department or BU. Anything is possible as long as you are on VHs side.
This post is BS if you are VSP you know the terms and conditions and there is no reason why it would be unethical. Both sides reached a mutual business decision when the original package was offered so if conditions have changed the two parties can again reach a mutual decision just simple business. The payment back clause is awkward as they ask for 100pct within 1 yr return which makes little sense as the government took half of it at time of disbursement. 2 yr at 50 pct is no better so unless they are waiving that the OP is trolling.
If the VSP contract is anything like the involuntary contract, which I would assume it is in this regard, there is a clause in the document that states the contract can only be changed if both parties agree to the changes. So before any rehire, Oxy would just write up an amendment to the contract and the prospective rehire would sign it voiding out the rehiring restriction. And even if you don't do that, one could just simply negotiate a signing bonus to cover the what is owed back to Oxy, too. If Oxy seriously wants to rehire someone, they will make it happen.
I expect proper gate keeping on who gets hired in the first place and who gets hired back.
@1zfr+18h9v6ei that's not the fault of the employee. That's bad personnel management and staffing by Oxy.
Oxy will throw you out when you're no longer convienient. There is no loyalty. So why would you expect someone to not look out for themselves?
They want back for the money. And Oxy is like a revolving door. A few years back you could quit because you have a better offer and then come back when that opportunity doesn’t work out. You can even quit, come back, and then get a big VSP payout. What kind of a company does that b—s—. It is an insult to people who are invested in the company and who have put in several decades and then get the same payout as yahoo’s who have been here a few years, quit, and come back. If it were my company unless you leave under a lay-off, furlough, or VSP you don’t get back in, NO exceptions. It doesn’t matter whether you are marked with rehire with 5 stars beside it. Hopefully there is some control over current rehire practices, especially now.
Why would any of you APC folks want to come back? All you have done is rag on Oxy from day one. Please stay away unless you want to come back and be a decent employee and not a bunch of whinners. I guess if you come back as well that means you failed at getting another job on your APC merit. I can't tell you how many post I read about the supreme APC employees. I would have thought you all would have been employed by now if you wanted to. I mean APC was the cream of the crop. Right?
I sure will not risk until I get my package payout out fully . Then take a small break and May be coming back
Any agreement cam be regotiated or amended.
Why is it ethically wrong? And, yes, you will have to pay back 100% of your VSP it is less than 1 year since you left and 50% if it is more than 1 year but less than 2 years since you left.