If a person took the PIL, then got a new job half way through, did EM terminate PIL payments once that person got the new job? Assume EM learned the person became employed due to that person’s Linked In or perhaps due to grape vine communications in industry? Has EM been so cruel as to terminate PIL payments when a person gets a new job? The PIL contract “allows” them to terminate, but wonder if they are exercising the option. They could the high road, or do what they do best lately - have little consideration for even high performers. These people lost all the extras (like stock/bonuses), so seems like the least EM could do is let them have the full PIL.
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PIL is a blessing in disguise. Headstart to secure the best jobs in the market, plus a deeper pocket!
Procurement with 10 YoE. 2 @ XOM.
It basically went down like this: I go into my PADP discussion feeling very confident after receiving some great KOs and getting numerous accolades from my supervisor and upline managers all the way up to VP level. I had even received a spot bonus for project results earlier that year. All the discussions leading up to PADP were very positive and my supervisor and I had talked at length about this being a promotion year for me. Then BAM the PIP conversation happens. I was literally speechless during the meeting because none of it made sense and the things they were bringing up about "issues" were completely fabricated and certainly had not come up at all in any conversation prior. I leave that meeting knowing good and well that it was a veiled layoff and that with me being short tenured at XOM I was an easy target. So I go home same day and start contacting my network. Before I even handed in my signed severance letter a week later I had probably a dozen applications out and at least one interview scheduled. That first interview led to a job offer and it's been an outstanding move for me both personally and professionally to get away from the toxicity of XOM. I wrote this last part not at all to boast about sticking it to XOM or my former boss, but to hopefully encourage a few people. If a layoff affects you then go home and let out your emotion and take a day or two to unwind. Then get after it and go make things happen.
@1zqo+17ygszCz - 3 weeks? Nice. What org were you in and YoE?
I got PIP'd, resigned, started a new job 3 weeks later, and have been collecting two paychecks for the last 2.5 months. I'll get a nice check with about 6 weeks of accrued vacation from XOM after my final payroll check on 10/30. Getting PIP'd was a blessing.
My PIL letter was very clear. The purpose of the 3 months’ salary was to support me while I tried to find another job (on my own or using the outplacement service). Therefore the company’s intent was to retain the option to terminate my salary if I started employment at another company before the end of the PIL period.
However, I agree - get what you can out of EM. If you get a job before the end of your PIL, keep quiet about it and don’t tell anyone except your spouse and kids. In the future, never ever tell anyone that you started your new job before the end of the 3-month PIL.
@1kkr - US MPT won’t have received their October salary payment yet. That’s probably coming through on Friday the 30th.
@1dsm I think you failed to catch that "PIL isn't the same as severance". Since there's is loose language as indicated by @vdi & @qzt and the fact that supervisors advised " don't ask don't tell", that "may" in the agreement is enough for XOM to stop payments to investigate ones employment status. Which is why the going recommendation is to keep your new job to yourself, don't post about, don't talk about it.
Is PIL hush money? Sure
Is it guaranteed? Not like a severance agreement. The legal waiver from a lawsuit doesn't mean it was written in a way that they couldn't or wouldn't stop PIL payments; otherwise, it would've been referred to as a severance instead
Does it even matter anymore now that the last salary payment has been made (15th no?)? What would they do, ask for a refund?/
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@qos+17ygszCz: when the layoffs come, people will be paid an amount covering up to a year or so depending on service. Would it be unethical for them to get another job before the timeframe representing the severance payment expires? Of course not. The company wanted everyone to take the PIL option because it included a legal waiver against suing the company. They don’t really care if you got a job during the PIL because their sole objective was to get you to leave quietly.
@rzv+17ygszCz, when the layoffs come, people will be paid an amount covering up to a year or so depending on service. Would it be unethical for them to get another job before the timeframe representing the severance payment expires? Of course not. The company wanted everyone to take the PIL option because it included a legal waiver against suing the company. They don’t really care if you got a job during the PIL because their sole objective was to get you to leave quietly.
Did someone really use Exxon and ethics in the same sentence? Their lack of ethics is only exceeded by their complete lack of morals.
Objectively, I think ethics are in question on both sides since PIL isn't the same as severance. You take PIL, get another job and paid twice questions the individuals integrity...again objectively.
Not on the side of XOM but let's not have double standards.
Wow their bad ethics went even further than I thought.
There’s a tiny little “may” in my PIL agreement.
Don’t ask, don’t tell - is the agreement I have with my (former) supervisor.
Of course, I’ve already taken another job! Double pay is sweet.
Life goes on!
The language in the contract is very gentle and easy to overlook, but it IS there. I had a lawyer review it. It’s a very tiny “may” but it’s there. And it is shameful. For those about to get offered severance, I assume it will be TRUE severance instead of this sneaky game they played for the last 3 months.
My supervisor told me if I did find a job to stay quiet about it until after the 3 months.
Seems like it’s none of their business. Several people who found jobs shortly after said they were collecting both.
The real question is- are you willing to take the chance to find out?
No - my legal document does not state that the 3 month pay will be gone if I found another job. For them to try not pay the 3 months is trickier and more complex than obvious as there are many issues like the new salary could be different - then do they try to only pay the difference? What if the new salary is higher? They cannot stop and will not stop paying the 3 months if you find a job. I found a job after 2 weeks of leaving and so I am getting paid 2.5 months extra and I am getting the ExxonMobil 3 month pay, last month coming end of the month.
But the more important point is to keep your mouth shut! Don't talk to anyone at ExxonMobil. I told about my new job to only 2 highly trustworthy friends and to no one else.
In general in life, unless true, established and long term trustworthy friends, do not talk too much. Do not needlessly discuss jobs, interviews, offer accepting, salaries and related topics with too many people.
The less that is spoken, the better. Remember most people are ExxonMobil are blood thirsty, vindictive jerks, they would get jealous if they found out you got a job and they are still stuck in their Nazi camp surrounded by secret police. They might call the HR at the new company and tell you were fired because of raping or s-xual harassment and who knows, tell a lot of false information to bring you down.
Don't trust anyone at ExxonMobil. That will be too naive.
I don’t see why they would have. It was not written in the legal document. Who agreed to that?