Anyone PIP’d and staying? Did you get your PIP yet? Have you been told its impossible to be successful?
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My PIP is ridiculously impossible to pass. So after seeing it, I switched to PIL and HR and my fearless leaders were extremely very happy. I get my 3 months bonus and plan to cash in on my pension now. Trying to work so hard and having that feeling of worthlessness is PIP all about. It's demoralizing, downgrading, and utterly inhumane. Alright, I initially chose PIP so I have an idea what my plan looks like.
For what I was told. You can end the PIP and what ever says lefts are turned to the PIL. I believe they can also decided to terminate during the PIP.
If you start the PIP and then opt out half way through does the 3 months PIL includes the days on the PIP or starts when you change your election to PIL? Also can they terminate before the end of the 90 days?
I understand you can switch to PIL anytime during the PIP period. Could you switch to PIL at the 45 day mark if they issue a letter?
I think my strategy for succeeding is just to lick as many fat and hairy ones as I can before Day 45. To be brutally honest, "working hard" isn't going to help us out of this one. So be there for your manager as much as can be. Weekends, after hours, whatever it takes.
All pips in the US were started by 1 Aug. They are 90 days long. If you don’t pass the pip then yes you are to be let go by the 31st of October.
That is the time line and doesn’t have to do with passing the pip. Another poster had commented you should be prepared for a letter at day 45 saying you aren’t meeting expectations so they can start building the case against you.
My understanding is that PIPs are not a lost cause if they are designed and executed properly and fairly i.e. a reasonable / fair chance that the employees will succeed. No reason to believe that will not be the case.
Someone below mentioned a FAQ stating that everyone on PIP needs to be off the payroll by November 1. Have any others heard the same? If that's the case, PIP appears to be a lost cause.
Mine seems “doable”, but it’s vague and based in the arbitrary feedback I received this year. Irrespective of how it ends I will find a job elsewhere and leave, I don’t deserve to be treated as an offender after so many years doing well.
It depends on why you got the PIP. If your an a–hole. It’s hard to not be an a–hole. If it’s fixable, it’s fixable. You can beat a pip, but as these people fall off that choose a PIL people are going to be pulled down. If you move up 1 level to fall 1 you right where you started.
Came across an FAQ stating all MLRP-eligible employees will be off payroll by November 1, 2020... this would seem to me there’s no scenario to passing the PIP
The managers/supervisors set targets for PIP'ed employees which are unachievable within the 3 months. They just wash their hands off without guidance and supervision as if they are not responsible for the result, as the ultimate objective is to get rid of the employee being PIP'ed. If they are capable, led by example and provide guidance and directions for the employees affected on how to get them achieved. Aren't these are what a manager or supervisor supposed to do? If the employees failed to meet these targets, shouldn't the manager or supervisor be held accountable and be put into PIP as well? Why only the employees are responsible for this? If the employee can meet these targets by themselves without the manager or supervisor, why do we need them here? Remove them first!
I took the PIL after two decades of loyal service to these jerks, sinking ship especially in the Permian Basin, they haven’t made a dime yet nor will they.
Don't be naive. You are not going to pass a pip. Don't believe what is written. Your supervisor will decide based on the HR reduction targets, nothing else.
the house always wins...
and the cards are stacked...
glad I left and took the PIL
Another “upper middle-third whole career but now suddenly NSI” here. Went with PIP option, was told it’s reasonably doable to pass but difficult. Supervisor says the ball is in his court as the decider of pass/fail, anyone have perspective on how true that is or whether there will be a lot of pressure to still terminate even if it is otherwise successful?
It's because letting people go through PIP program is not illegal. The company is utilizing loopholes that the local/federal government allows.
I would think that if 100% of the people getting PIPed end up losing their job, that it would be statistically impossible and proof the companies were gaming the system. I don't know why there has not been a lawsuit.
Soft goals is exactly how they will bury you, given how it is all so subjective. It's a classic trap.
Read a few threads down how to go on fmla. Then you can claim Fmla retaliation when they say you failed these soft goals!
I am on the trading floor, operation type of role, did not choose pip, however heard one of employee wants to stay really bad and ask supervisor to put him in pip. She told him he, As a scheduler, not a trader, need to make a million dollar a month for next 3 months. (A good trader in a good year can possibly achieve one Mil profit in a year.) the pip is a joke.
Call HR tomorrow and ask them to show you the doll show you can point to where they hurt you.
They should tag supervisor along with PIP individual. Now that will be ownership! Because they will need you to pass.
Mine doesn't have any concrete assignments. My supervisor still hasn't figured out what he wants me to do for it and all of the success metrics are completely vague and subjective
So assuming you pass PIP this year and got NSI rank again next year. Will the termination include the 3 months PIL?
I received my PIP and while several of the objectives are attainable, two of them are impossible. One is a hard target on Sales Revenue. The number given is laughable because it would be a great YEAR for anybody else in the group. In this environment, I imagine that if I hit 20% of the target I would be lucky.
No I was told you can’t be in the bottom again for the next 5 years or it’s immediate dismissal. Nothing about always being in the top two.
I would say mine is a lot of soft skill fluff with extra presentation due weekly. It’s a nightmare mare but for now is worth fighting for.
Was anyone told that if they survived the PIP they would need to be rank in the top 2 categories for the rest of their career to survive long term?
I’ve heard of a few that are do-able, but majority are not.
It's impossible...