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IBM is trying to block a large group of Ottawa workers from unionizing within the company

Anyone surprised?

https://thelogic.co/news/exclusive/ibm-is-trying-to-block-a-large-group-of-ottawa-workers-from-unionizing-within-the-company/

IBM is trying to block a large group of Ottawa workers providing information technology services to the federal government from unionizing within the company, The Logic has learned.

The workers, represented by the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC), held a unionization vote on June 11, arguing that they work for IBM. The tech firm holds that their employer is actually Ottawa-based NewFound Recruiting, a company it brought in to hire workers to fulfill a contract it won from Shared Services Canada. IBM has spent the past six months challenging the vote and is now asking the Ontario Labour Relations Board (OLRB) to block the certification.

“The Union asserts that IBM is the true employer of the service desk employees and consequently seeks to certify IBM,” reads a November 7 OLRB decision on the case. “However, in the alternative, the Union filed a certification application against NewFound as well as a [joint-certification] application, asserting that IBM and NewFound are related employers.”

The unionization attempt at IBM comes as a growing number of tech workers in Canada are organizing. In the last year, Google employees have walked off the job over labour conditions and The Logic broke the news that a group of Toronto drivers said Amazon was blocking their unionization attempts. Since then, Foodora workers in Toronto have tried to unionize.

Andrew Langille, a Toronto-based employment and human rights lawyer, sees these cases, which all involve technology companies using contractors, as part of a broader trend within Canada.

The workers argue IBM is their true employer, but IBM contends they work for a recruiting firm it retained to find staff to fulfill a contract for Shared Services Canada. IBM has tried unsuccessfully three times to get the unionization attempt dismissed. The dispute comes amid a growing number of organizing efforts by Canadian tech workers, and as the Public Service Alliance of Canada is locked in contentious negotiations with the government.

“IBM wants to avoid risks by setting up these third-party corporations, or structuring the operations in a manner that’s going to at least attempt to sever the link between IBM and the individual worker, so there’s no liability in terms of a union, in terms of severance,” said Langille.

IBM has asked the OLRB to dismiss the case on three separate occasions; the board has denied each request. The company is now going back for a fourth attempt. IBM declined to answer The Logic’s questions about the case. “We will not comment on this matter, which is currently before the Labour Board,” said IBM Canada spokesperson Meg Nair.

“As this is an ongoing litigation, we have no comment at this time,” said Todd LeSage, a partner at NewFound. PSAC also declined to comment.

At least 40 per cent of the workers signed membership cards with PSAC, leading to the June vote. IBM initially challenged the vote based on the claim that it does not employ any of the workers in question. NewFound requested an electronic vote be held because employees work various shifts, including overnight ones, and the bargaining unit is large. NewFound, IBM and PSAC did not answer questions about how many workers are in the unit. NewFound also asked that the votes not be counted pending the board’s determination of who is the true employer of the workers. The OLRB denied all those requests and directed that the vote go ahead.

After the workers held the unionization vote, IBM and NewFound jointly asked the OLRB to preemptively remove IBM from the case before more evidence is submitted.

“When it comes to the true employer issue, IBM and NewFound argue that the Union’s pleadings do not establish that IBM exerts the most control over the working lives of the employees,” reads a November 7 decision by OLRB vice-chair Roslyn McGilvery.

The decision details that there are disagreements over whether IBM had a managerial relationship with the employees or provided equipment to them. It states that IBM and NewFound say there was “an evolution of control over the employees in question away from IBM”. PSAC, for its part, “argues that IBM’s involvement in the workplace and the alleged overlapping common control and responsibilities of IBM and NewFound, make it challenging for the Union to know who it ought to be bargaining with under the circumstances.”

McGilvery declined to preemptively remove IBM from the case and asked for three hearing dates to be scheduled to discuss it.

On November 18, McGilvery issued another decision, giving NewFound and IBM until November 25 to respond to PSAC’s submissions, and then the union until December 2 to reply in kind.

PSAC is in the midst of contentious negotiations with the government over compensation it wants for federal employees who were paid late or not at all after Ottawa switched to the Phoenix payroll system, which IBM helped build. As The Logic reported last year, IBM received nearly $2 billion in government contracts in the first two and a half years after Phoenix went live.

Neither IBM nor NewFound responded to questions about how much the contract was worth. However, IBM has received 78 contracts from Shared Services Canada in the past two years worth a combined $1.7 billion, according to an analysis conducted by The Logic of government contracting disclosures.

Langille sees the PSAC unionization attempt as a response to government outsourcing jobs to contractors that were previously done by its members.

“It’s a bit of a rear-guard action on behalf of PSAC. IT work is traditionally the kind of thing their members would do,” said Langille.

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Union would be better than working as an at will employee in some dumpy right to work state.
That much risk is basically gambling with how often IBM lays people off.

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Post ID: @btjg+12rQMowW

You can't say since unions are working in Scandinavia, they would work equally well in the US. There are far too many other differences in economy, culture, government policy, and the like to make a fair comparison.

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Post ID: @9ikr+12rQMowW
things will get a lot worse with unions”. Really? I would think the entire continent of Europe would beg to differ with you on that.

Correct. Most of Scandinavia would disagree too. Virtually any employee in Sweden - professional or otherwise - belongs to the national trade union. It is this trade union that protects workers from discrimination and arbitrary layoffs. The Swedish economy is booming with multiple tech jobs for every employee. If you work in Sweden you are a union member. Period.

Many "experts" in the US tell you that unions are bad. IBM agrees. They left Sweden entirely a few years ago because they couldn't bully the trade union.

Who are you going to believe? 5 million over-employed and successful Swedish tech workers or battered and washed up IBM who happily blames unions - and everyone else - for their problems. Wake up America. The Jimmy Hoffa unions of the 1960s are not only way to organize.

Don't let me break you bubble - I am sure "American exceptionalism" will keep you employed so you don't need to visit this site again – comments from a very happy and decidedly wealthy European tech worker who will be gainfully employed decades longer then you.

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Post ID: @8ggo+12rQMowW

@1opd,

Agreed 100%
Think the majority are yes-men/women who would not dare ruffle IBM's feathers because to them IBM is still better than working at Target.

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Post ID: @5gpg+12rQMowW

AT&T Outsourced it’s Tech Dev department to IBM in 09/2019 and the Employee’s were given a 1 year contract and we were able to keep our salaries from AT&T. I am wondering if IBM will extend our contract. AT&T paid their employees good money and I know if IBM extend our contract they will probably cut our salary. Was wondering if we will be let go after our year contract is up?

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Post ID: @4abg+12rQMowW

Anyone who has actually worked in a union shop knows a union would not make the situation better.

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Post ID: @4cvp+12rQMowW

Union would be great in IBM NA, even though so many non union people don't want one.
I live in a town that would not even exist if it were without unions yet the IBMers I work with are still against unions. Cant fix stoopid. This is why most have not seen raises for over 10 yrs lol yet they still don't get it.

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Post ID: @1mzr+12rQMowW

“things will get a lot worse with unions”. Really? I would think the entire continent of Europe would beg to differ with you on that. There is a reason the USA workforce has taken the brunt of IBM’s layoffs. No union, means you are at the mercy of Ginni, and she has taken Her wrath out on the backs of the USA workers. Why. Because she can

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Post ID: @1opd+12rQMowW

That's all IBM needs - unions. Things will get a lot worse with unionized workers in the ranks.

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Post ID: @1vpq+12rQMowW

You need a union like a hole in the head now.

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