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7nm on track!

Intel is having various technical problems and arguably made some bad business decisions, but remember, semiconductor manufacturing processes are no longer directly comparable using the "x nanometer" number. A comparison should mention their technical differences.

"x nanometer" has became a technically meaningless trademark solely exists for indicating new generations of process for marketing since ~2009's introduction of FinFET. It has no actual relation to gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch. When some people say "5 nm" is the early-stage of nanotechnology, remember that the gate length actually stays at 25 nm since 2009.

GlobalFoundries' 7 nm process is similar to Intel's 10 nm process. TSMC and Samsung's 10 nm processes are only slightly denser than Intel's 14 nm in transistor density. They are actually much closer to Intel's 14 nm process than they are to Intel's 10 nm process. I'm not saying that Intel is 100% faithful, the 14 nm in the original ITRS roadmap was described by Intel as "10 nm". Also, DRAM chips are yet another different can of worms, the process "number" for DRAM chips is not directly comparable with CPU's "number" as well.

As conventional Moore's Law is reaching the end, the semiconductor firms spent a lot of efforts to make things as confusing as possible. I'm not a semiconductor engineer, I'm just an ordinary programmer, I don't fully understand the funny business going on since 2009, any correction is welcomed.

In other words, Intel still stays on the state-of-art of semiconductor manufacturing, in line with GlobalFoundries and TSMC, not significantly better or worse, in contrary to what the "x nanometer" number would make you to believe, but they do have a lot of production issues.

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Post ID: @OP+11LEDNp8

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10nm yields are not yet good. Cutover from 14 to 10 is not yet on the horizon....

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Post ID: @5ngp+11LEDNp8

recent posts sound like circuit posts, did thos website sell out ?

also not to mention numerous "moderated comments"

also 7nm is not ok track, yields are poor, yep same accountant who damaged 10nm is at it again, process is not stable and no one has a clue how to make it work

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Post ID: @3doy+11LEDNp8

Yes, 7nm is on track (for 2021).

if "on track" in the dictionary means "at least 4 years late"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/idf13-intel-ship-10nm-chips-2015-7nm-chips-2017/amp/

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Post ID: @3xae+11LEDNp8

Intel 10nm, where is the beef?

Don’t forget TSMC equal process 7nm has shipped what a billion or more chips already and their 5nm is coming before Intel 7 who believes intel promises after 10nm lies and more lies

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Post ID: @1kqo+11LEDNp8

of course 7nm is on track. They go to TSMC for it!

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Post ID: @1spc+11LEDNp8

AMD is only superior when it comes to performance for parallelized tasks, single thread performance is still owned by Intel.

Also, your link is biased because it is well documented that AMD performance significantly improves with faster RAM and they used much faster RAM in the test only for AMD.

That RAM is very expensive so you need to factor that in the total cost if you wanted fo be fair when doing price comparison as well.

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Post ID: @fka+11LEDNp8

On the other hand, the top AMD Ryzen (3950X, $749) is considerably faster than the top Intel CPU (10980XE, $1000).

Technically meaningless, including thinking that Intel is superior to AMD. They are losing the desktop wars hard to AMD with Ryzen, and starting to lose ground on the server front.

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