Changes are about to come down. More “consolidation” of positions and more jobs will be cut. A lot of changes will be happening between now and mid-February. Brush off those resumes and look for more centralization of operations.
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11Ihh7in-kfic The level of your writing is atrocious, and therefore you have no business bad mouthing our students or professors. I worked at DeVry and at other colleges, and DeVry students are at the same level as others especially from community colleges. Most struggle with writing, and that is the issue.
What this person is saying is true. No one cares about a DeVry education. I used to work there and I only took the job because my friend was the director. It paid well, but the job s—ed a$$. The job had great benefits, but let’s face it. These kids (for the most part were stupid AF. Stop your b–ching. If you want to continue working for this worthless school—fine. But, everyone knows the degree is worthless and no one takes DeVry grads OR it’s professors serious.
Ah my job, thats I’ve been at for 5 years, when we see a DeVry applicant, we laugh and throw the resume in the trash.
Just an FYI: I left on my own accord. I used them as a way to make money while going to graduate school for another degree. It served its purpose, but I’m glad I’m out of that sh– hole. I was only there for the money. Working in admissions, as a top producer (I must add), I’m don’t regret making my move. I’m surprised the company is still standing.
@11Ihh7in-ifka: College graduates should know the difference between "there" and "their" or "your" and "you're". No wonder Devry's reputation has fallen. Your professors weren't allowed to lower your grade for your mistakes in grammar.
To ifka - It turns out that if you actually want to improve things and do things ethically, you are also fired. To "succeed" all you need to do is keep your head in the sand, pass every student and say "that's not my problem" for anything that contributes to the bad reputation.
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Man...another laid off DEM advisor. With all that talk....why do you come to DeVry in the first place. Sorry to say, I have seen many student move into great positions and continued there education.
We get it....if you don't produce, your fired.
I did have to undergo a d–g test when I was hired. It had to be an authorized facility. But it was a one-time thing...
@dftr: In all of my years at DVU, and all of the instructors I’ve known, I’ve never heard anything like this anecdote involving repeated, ongoing annual urinalysis testing of anyone, especially with such the extensive disrobing requirement you described along with a designated “watcher” to so intensely and intimately witness the golden flow process. I have to wonder about this. Looking across the demographic of our current faculty, any such testing at this point would only result in identifying the presence of blood pressure medication, antidepressants, ibuprofen, and maybe some Viagra.
@cwda - When I taught for DV 2006-2009 the school forced VPs to take d–g tests annually. These were not normal d–g tests but were administered according to specific instructions from DV, which included having a nurse in the room watching you disrobe and pee in a cup to make sure that you were not cheating. The nurses required removal of your shirt, pants and underwear and then watched very closely as you stood there naked to make sure you were not using fake pee. When I requested my results I found out that DV told the medical facility that they were not to release my results to me, which is illegal. This testing was dehumanizing and combined with the complete incompetence of DV managers led me to quit teaching for DV after the third test. So your comments about the colonoscopy are actually quite accurate, I expect DV to begin using d–g testing or some similar form of medical torture as one more tool to fire people.
Did anyone read the new memo from HR for Ca visiting professors :) They want us to live a balanced life and only work 8-12 hours a week! How nice of them. And NOW we should record our MEAL BREAKS on our timecards (we work from home :) ...........bottom line CA professors no longer get class contracts and instead are paid 18.00 hr. which adds up to around 1K less then we made prior with the usual class contracts........Ok enough time wasted on this........
in-cutx the difference between Burks and Zorek is this...Zorek doesn't know any better.....he's an utter and complete DeVry creation. He has no outside experience to inform him that this type of treatment of faculty is wrong. He's an example of amoral behavior. Burks, on the other hand, does know better. And that makes her conduct immoral.
@cedb: regarding your listing of the multiple modalities of faculty monitoring, apparently you’re not yet aware that in the upcoming January term all faculty will additionally be required to submit to biweekly colonoscopies and rectal exams as part of their ongoing, continual assessment. These newly deployed monitoring tools will be administered through the CTE. Please understand that when students are unable or unwilling to do any course work that this is clearly the fault of the faculty member.
Brought to you by Burke’s and Zorek.
In classes with 60+ students at other colleges, the professors have graduate assistants doing their grading. How about we talk about the incessant monitoring of faculty? Let's see, we have pulse check where the students give faculty 1 to 5 stars during weeks 1-3, an instructor insight program that electronically monitors the faculty members' posts, feedback, hours spent, etc., MCE scores from students at the end of the session, and now team leaders who look through our course to determine if we are sending out IFFs, posting enough in discussion, etc. And yes, these leaders can be visiting professors monitoring full time professors! The insanity continues.
60+ students might be the right number if students were actually coming out better off. Is there any evidence of that?
The “everyone else is doing it” and "look who else is bad" defense is commonly used in fraudulent business cases but does not fly when justice is finally served or when the shoe finally drops. This is now how you improve your reputation.
@ the admissions advisor. I know plenty of students that have done EET, ECT and CIS that are making top dollar, at top companies and would be offended by your comment. There were some degree programs other than those mentioned, that are worthless in the job market such as Business and undergraduate cert programs. However, these are worthless from almost any college.
Suggesting that grades are loosely handed out is a sign of poor judgement and personal ethics. If you dont like working for a company that you do not believe in, simply move on and dont punish students still there. Students are paying for their education regardless of what you feel and deserve fair treatment with a fair grade. Additionally, state colleges currently have 60+ students to one professor and super classes with over 800+ students to one as well. Based off your worthless comments, If you are in management I am sure you have a revolving door of people working for you.
The majority of the professors I had known over the years at DVU put a lot of effort and heart into their work and were very good at teaching. I would put them up against professors anywhere at any university when it comes to teaching skill, and many students benefited from this. And I well remember many very smart people (students) walking the halls and later moving into very successful careers. As far as what has since happened more recently, it just shows how drastically things can change in any organization.
- and that’s why you were part of the problem. I’m sorry that you had such a heartless mercenary attitude toward what you were doing to those students. Not all of us felt the same. I taught students what they cane to learn and put extra care into technical topics because I knew the attitudes out there in the marketplace. I’ve been gone four years now because the curriculum got so ridiculously easy that I couldn’t stay working there with a clear conscience...but I made good on the effort owed to students who trusted me with their education as best as I could. Many of them got jobs in their field and a few have reached out to let me know that I was a positive factor in their careers and lives. So yes, I CARE, because the place going further downhill to 60+ students and almost exclusively online prevents the kinds of positive impacts that I was able to create and erodes the already challenged reputation of the place, working against those students I was able to help move forward. And yes, it erodes my career capital the worse it gets and every time I have to explain myself because DVU is no better than Ashford or Phoenix now...but it used to be better and maybe my students/campus were exceptions but it wasn’t always as abysmal as you make it out to be.
And that’s what brought us to where we are today.
Why do you all care about how many students are in an online class? Everyone knows that no one takes DeVry degrees seriously. Pass all the kids, make your money, and go home on time. Trust me, no one thinks DeVry is a “real” college ANYWAYS. IF it WERE ME, I’d just sit back, give all of the hard workers A’s and the slackers D’s. Everyone passes!! Masters students, B’s regardless of what they do. It’s just a job. No one respects the DeVry name. Let’s be real here. I’d hire a kid with an associates from a community college, than a 30K associates degree from DeVry. Wake up people. No one cares about DeVry. I didn’t care when I worked there in admissions. It was just a sales job that served its purpose.
And don’t forget health insurance coverage, and there’s an industry even more ruined and corrupted than higher education, leading to more bankruptcies and ruined lives. Why not ask all of the medical professionals why they continue to abide that money-s—ing system?
8Kah: kids, college tuitions, mortgages, bills to pay, middle age, tight job market....
As I read this I cannot help wonder why nobody has the courage to put this place out of its misery. Why do you let corrupt managers keep you in a fraudulent operation?
7wr1: thank you for posting this open-source info link. 17K students is a number that feels about right, but only 53 FT faculty remain across the country? That number seems unbelievably low based on meetings we attend and the names we see on fragmented listings, but perhaps it’s an illusion.
53 full-time, and 1253 part-time faculty is reported in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeVry_University
for over 17K students. That's a ratio of 1 f/t faculty per 328 students. Insane.
Does anyone know how many full-time faculty now remain? There have been quite a few resignations since the summer. Is it even as many as 125 at this point?
I know of one faculty, who got a 3.3 in one class, but averaged a 3.6 and was designated "needs developing" anyway. It's a shameless scam devised to set faculty up for an imminent firing whenever a firing is needed...hence, this unjust farce leans toward faculty and staff reductions to meet the bottom line and the admission of fewer and fewer remotely qualified or academically interested students. Education for sale, clearance, everything must go....
It’s an obvious conflict of interest the way student evaluations are simplistically and perniciously applied as a core component in assessing DVU professor performance. Everyone knows this. Upon hearing that a professor averaged a 3.3 I would first ask specifically what courses were taught and surveyed. Were they freshman-level courses? Did they involve more challenging content? I consider a 3.3 to be a respectable and realistic average for a professor who’s behaving ethically and applying honest, objective grading rather than succumbing to the “invisible ECE threat lever” wielded to push professors to pass everyone with high grades, even the dunderheads. But back to the initial topic, many of us have been wondering whether a significant consolidation and centralization of operations might lie just ahead. I think a lot of us would be quite surprised to see this winter come and go with no big reveals.
ECEs are an insult! Teaching 60+ students online with a partner is an insult! Who could possibly achieve legitimate student approval in those circumstances? Faculty are framed by a game they cannot win and are punished for trying.
Already 99% of F/T faculty located on campus are only teaching online. And then they are team teaching courses with 60+ students. One full prof achieved a 3.3 score from students and got a less than 1% raise. Looks like they’re holding the 3.6 line. Less than 1% is an insult. And probably a hint.
Yes, soon there shall be one timid mouse in a wheel running the entire operation....
11HH7in: who is likely to be impacted? Operational staff only? Faculty as well? Are enrollments driving these decisions? Does a further downsizing portend a teach out?