Thread regarding ADP layoffs

ADP is the new SEARS. It might not be doomed now but it won’t be what it was. It will just be a shell of itself.
It’s one thing to see tenured employees and their knowledge go, but its another level of unease to see the disconnect with leadership. Not just first level managers, those in the next few levels don’t understand their business or maybe they do but they only care to check off boxes on their to do list. Do this do that without regard to how it affects clients or if there is even enough staff to make something work. Of those still working there who can honestly say their leaders have given them an idea of where their BU is going or how they are going to get there???

I agree. It requires searching for those companies who are financially stable and have the desire and need of personal and professional skills many possess who may be affected by ADP’s recalibration. My advice is not to JOB search but rather research companies for the best fit. You are the product you’re selling or exchanging for a new position and salary. You don’t just want another J-O-B. I agree to knowing which skills are translatable outside of ADP and highlighting them on your resumes and professional profiles. @10o9sxNM-2xmj

@10o9sxNM-2kjm, I agree with your last post, facetious, or not. It was nicely worded. You are on target with your comments.

@10o9sxNM-2kjm, I agree with your last post, facetious, or not. You are on target with your comments.

But whether ADP is doomed or not, does it really matter? Sure, laid off associates should not feel bad and not have any animosity. Business is certainly business, and layoffs aren't personal.

So it should not get personal in the other direction as well. ADP may survive and may not, but it doesn't need any special consideration or propping up with words to try to desperately believe that it will survive. Just like the laid off workers. Some will do well, others won't. Same with ADP. Maybe it will survive and maybe it won't.

@10o9sxNM-1uwk - your comment, in quotes below, is NOT true about everyone affected (maybe just a handful of the ones you know personally):
“What is also happening is those affected are angry and deep down they hope the strategy that led to ADP affecting their lives will fail.”
I am affected, as is everyone, leaving or staying. I wish everyone well, ADP and those left behind, even as the button is pushed to cut my CHECK!

@10o9sxNM-2xmj-Totally mature approach. Every end is not devastating to everyone. Some endings are the most profound propelling into better a person will ever know. If your time arises, accept with grace, dignity and high expectations of the greater which is to come.

There are disasters across this nation which bring all things into perspective. Tomorrow is truly just a vapor for ALL.

There are no guaranteed exemptions, and ADP is a company in business to make revenue, not a Deity of Supreme Power which controls the livelihood of success or failure for anyone. Even if they believe they will/can/do. Leadership has blood running through veins, too and squats to —— like everyone else. They’re just doing their job like each associate. Just a vapor of existence.

Great post and one of the most mature outlooks that I've seen on this site. Well said.

As a current associate I don’t think I’ll feel animosity to the company when the day comes that it no longer values my services.

I’ve had a nice career and developed some skills that translate well outside of ADP. I acknowledge that finding a new job is more difficult at 50 than at 30 but I also view life with a “glass half full” mentality.

But I won’t badmouth Carlos or ADP if they make the business decision to cut me loose. It’s just business.

I wrote the last of the two replies. I wrote it in a facetious manner, implying that there are certainly more than one person posting on this site and on others. To think that only one person posts here is absurd.

My post was not meant to insult anyone, and I do completely agree with your reasoning. People should be grateful for their jobs and opportunities. And they should beware as we live in a mostly "at will" working world.

Companies have the right to eliminate any one for any reason or no reason. It is their company and they can run it any way they want. I have no problem with that.

However, in ADP's case, the people laid off hurt the company as well as the laid off employees. What I am pointing out is that the business decisions that were made by ADP's management were flawed and not thought out well, unless the aim was for short term gains, a temporary rising stock price, and then exiting the company. I don't know if that is management's plan or not, but the decisions that were made are very detrimental to the future of ADP.

Not sure if those last two replies were directed at me or someone else. I was acknowledging being grateful for jobs and opportunities, but warning that person to beware. Change may be coming and that person could be affected. I did not see the train at the end of the tunnel and was blindsided as part of the 2018 purge of experienced employees. While I did not appreciate being replaced due to age and income, I understand the numbers and am trying to take the high road. ADP always worked you hard, but you could be proud of the work you did. The loyalty used to go both ways. Unfortunately, t no longer does.

I would be interested in knowing the poster's feelings, in the future, when their position is eliminated and they might still had to worry about a mortgage and putting kids through college.

Yes, there is only one person that posts on these sites! LOL!

That’s funny, sounds like the same person that gives those lovely reviews on Indeed, Monster etc..etc..

You are very generous in your comments. Your view will likely change once you are affected. Being grateful for your job and opportunities given over the years is appropriate and thoughtful recognition. However, layoffs and job eliminations, while available to an "at will" employer, are a shock to the system and tough to handle, both emotionally and financially, whether you are there 10 years or 25 years. You could be in the next wave 3 - 5 years from now.

There is no flaw, and ADP is not dead, at least not yet. No one has the power to predict the future. The company could survive. But based on the recent management decisions made, it certainly doesn't look good. However, claiming that the company is making good changes that is enhancing it and making it more competitive is unrealistic. As expressed by many posters on this site, some angry and some not, the real reason for the changes are to save on labor costs, and to cut out experienced personnel (not dead wood), thus cutting away the company's knowledge base. It takes a long time for new employees to come up to speed and become productive. Top management didn't seem to realize that.

Yes, some people, both current and former employees, are angry about this. But being angry does not negate those people's views. Anger doesn't mean that what they post is inaccurate.

Yes. That's the simple answer.

The flaw is not in regurgitating over and over what ADP is doing. They are telling us what they are doing. The flaw lies in the claims that ADP is dead because of what they are doing.

Let's be honest. ADP is making changes that affect real lives. The people caught up in it are impacted negatively and flock to sites like this to express their real feelings. What is also happening is those affected are angry and deep down they hope the strategy that led to ADP affecting their lives will fail. Only time will tell whether the strategy will work or not, but all evidence so far from the perspective of company results says it's working exceptionally well and they are many years into making these changes. That is just fact. Saying anything counter to that is not fact, it's wishful thinking.

Flaws in my posts? Take a good look at all of the posts on this site. I am not the only one who is posting this information. If I have flawed posts, then so do a heck of a lot of people who post here. Could all of us be wrong?

You certainly have the right to post here, as do those of us who point out the flaws in your many posts.

Who's hoping and praying for the demise of ADP? This is an intellectual discussion with no hate or any kind of interests to defend. Whether or not ADP survives or not makes no difference to me. I used to work for ADP, but am now successfully retired.

For the sake of my former associates, where some of them still work there, I actually hope that ADP somehow survives. But as a former business analyst, I keep my eyes open and analyze the situation.

So again, no hate or malice intended. I know that some people wish that I wouldn't post here so things could remain under wraps. But sorry, I have the right to post here just like everyone else.

ADP does not need to be defended by the bitter ex-associates who frequent this site.

For those who are hoping and praying for the demise of the company, it just ain’t happening.

I felt like this type of "lazy" accusation could come up. Sorry, but you should have read my post more carefully. I said "don't work too hard". I did not mean to coast or watch YouTube at work. You won't hold a job long if you do that. Provide honest work but don't overdo it, in other words don't work too hard. Again, twisting words to protect precious ADP. What a cheap shot.

Only the lazy would feel that they can coast during their last few years before retirement.

I’m probably two years away from retirement at ADP and working as hard as I ever did, in part because there are fewer workers doing the work.

My personal value system won’t allow me to sit around watching YouTube and collecting a paycheck. That’s just me.

Why would the OP feel the need to mention that he/she is close to retirement? The entire point of the post was to express gratitude to a company that has provided a good source of support for his/her family.

There are many others at ADP I’ve spoken with who share similar feelings of thankfulness towards the company.

On the cusp of retirement? I think that the OP would have mentioned that. Also, no need to work too hard if that is the case.

There’s nothing suggesting that this associate is just sitting around waiting to be laid off. Perhaps this person is on the cusp of retirement and being laid off would be a nice send off due to the severance package and unemployment.

If you have been with ADP for 25 years, you are already on the list of people who will be laid off. ADP wants to get rid of as much of the pension fund as possible.

It is commendable that you want to continue to do a good job while you are employed. You should consider getting your resume together and checking out job boards in your off-time. There are many individuals who are continuing to have difficulty getting work after years of working at ADP because their skills do not translate to the cloud-based products that are thriving and growing in the current market.

ADP will survive although it will be with lesser-paid employees, less clients, and multiple inferior products. I do not wish for the company to fail although I do believe that Carlos is the worst CEO that the company has ever had and that he should be replaced.

That's right. Continue to work hard until you as an associate who "makes too much money" are laid off. As a highly paid veteran associate, you are already not cost-effective in ADP's eyes. But hey, the company means everything so be sure that you work hard, real hard before the axe falls.

Not feeling as secure as you used to? That's no way to live. Maybe it's better to get another job where you would feel more secure and where your contributions would be more valued.