Thread regarding ADP layoffs

Well said @10L14GNp-eaiv. Boomers also had to look for pay phones and knew what a phone booth was. (Superman would have problems changing clothes without one.) (Age may explain why I wanted to offer you some white out to use on your article. ;) )

@10L14GNp-jxzc - They miss teaching these areas of foundational and generational business history in Education nowadays. Many cannot stand if there was no former step stool already provided.
Thank you for outlining it in truth.

To: @10L14GNp-eaiv. "angry and ‘never prepared for change’ back end baby boomers." Wow. Really? You very much underestimate baby boomers. They learned technology from the ground up, learning from scratch. They went from studying from books and manuals to learning digital technology on the job. They moved from corded phones to cell phones. They moved from typewriters to computers. How dare anyone say that they are resistant to change? They have seen more change in their work lives than previous generations and newer generations are feeding from that wealth of knowledge. Boomers don't sit around getting offended and waiting for someone else to fix their problems. Let it go, snowflake. You're out of your league on this topic but you're welcome to Google some facts if you intend to post again.

Truth is: ADP has terrible leadership at almost all level now. They are desperate, and Carlos's dream of him being at the helm when ADP goes the way of Kmart and Kodak are fast approaching. The "lazy spoiled brat millennials" are a joke to attempt to fix this company!

I agree with the comments made by the last poster @10L14GNp-fgiy.

And for @10L14GNp-eaiv: The term "back end baby boomer"? That's a new one. Wow, making up new terms to try to discredit posters here who write things that you don't like.

So as was said, try again. And with something more believable next time.

I'm still wondering what a "back end baby boomer" is.

As for "never prepared for change", that is not even close. Tenured employees would not have survived with ADP if we were not always prepared for change and learning new things. Even in the olden days, when we still did payroll in the dirt, we had to be adaptable (and watch out for dinosaurs.

Also, the opinionated poster missed with the getting a job out of high school line. Many of us, myself included, started with ADP, not as an entry level employee, but following graduation from college and we stayed with ADP because we liked the people, the challenges, and that the job, was ever changing.

So try again, it appears that your argument lacks credibility and it seems that you may be bitter about your career.

ADP "thrives" (depending on your definition) because it's decades old basic, core business products (payrolls, paychecks and taxes) and systems are still solid. And they are the way they are today, thanks to the many years of hard work done by many developers. Some took the package, some of us left on our own and some still remain. The fact that those systems are still working and doing what they were intended to do, doesn't imply that only dead weight slackers were offered the package because ADP is still in business despite some folks being gone. I think it's the other way around. Leaving ADP with a system that just keeps going despite managements short comings ain't too shabby.

I think someone not seeing the bigger picture with that 80% comment is what started this whole chain. We'll see what happens when they finally sunset these older legacy systems. The newer systems so far haven't really been much to crow about. But only time will tell.

You’re just regurgitating the same lines all the other angry and ‘never prepared for change’ back end baby boomers are spouting. Just as pathetic as the millennials. Start at ADP as entry level out of high school and expect a job forever. Sorry, life is tough.

Business has thrived despite their loss? Come on, get real. A revolving door of low paid employees who are not motivated to stay coming in and out of the company. Attempts to get some of the laid off people back as contractors. Enraged clients that cannot get serviced properly and increased client retention problems. ADP's competitors taking many clients away. A short boost in stock prices due to continuing layoffs. Once the layoffs end, so does ADP end. Hmm... is that thriving? I don't think so.

On the flip side, how is it that the business has thrived despite their loss? The term dead weight was absolutely terse but thankfully ADP continues to do well.

80% dead weight? You obviously don't know what you're talking about. First off, it was voluntary of sorts. And more took the package than they anticipated. Dead weight? Then why not just let em all go at once, instead of staggering the exodus like they did? Why have a transfer of knowledge from those leaving to someone who was staying? Why go through the expense of paying for continuing medical benefits for 24 months and boosting pension accounts, when there would be justifiable cause to let someone go for non-performance issues and not have to pay like they did if they were dead weight?

I think they are saying that the 80/20 ratio is way off.. are you saying that 80% of those offered verp were dead weight? If so, then they sure paid $$$ handsomely to get rid of ee's that they could have just fired for cause …

Jerk! I was one of the 80% that you refer to as dead weight. You don't last for 20, 30, 40 yrs, whatever, without being good, especially at ADP. As far as dead weight, talk again after the back of your ears dry. The dead weight that you refer to helped to make ADP successful. Now it is up to you to keep it that way. Somehow, you do not inspire confidence.

@10L14GNp-9gfq - Perfect last sentence. "Unintelligent". Classic and true!

Saying that 80% of the VERPs were dead weight is the same as saying that 80% of the newbies are completely inefficient. The VERPs learned from their predecessors, clients, and management. They took pride in their accomplishments and were recognized and awarded frequently for client retention and great service. The newbies will never get that thanks to Carlos. The newbies are getting slammed with more work than they can efficiently handle, have managers who have never done the job and cannot help, are paid less than they should be, and our CEO has pushed out their best resources.

The person who wrote that statement is unintelligent on this topic.

80% of VERPS were dead weight? If that were true, then ADP is an incompetent organization for hiring and allowing that dead weight to stick around for so long and then not firing them for not being productive but even paying them and enhancing their retirement for these "slackers".

But certainly the VERPS were not dead weight, and yes, pointing out legitimate problems at ADP automatically makes a person a "complainer" and also retroactively paints that complainer as not being good at their job when they were at ADP. Amazing logic.

Utter rubbish. Try something more believable next time.

80 percent of VERPS were dead weight? I worked my a– off for 32 years for ADP!

You know, it's sad that this is what you're asking after reading all the comments. Don't you feel that ADP has gone around and stabbed the passion people had for their jobs until it died? I do.

The same people that are constantly complaining about how things are now are the same ones that have always complained at work, difference now is that they can’t handle change in the least because they’re now long in the tooth. Eighty percent of VERPs were dead weight.

Yes, ADP was once a good company to work for. But no more. I'm so glad that I retired out of that nuthouse recently. I feel bad for the ones that have to stay.

Totally agree with the last post. In the day ADP was a great company to work for. NOT now with Carlos in charge. I took the VERP and happy I did.

A lot of us LOVED ADP for many years and would have happily ended our careers there. What you're reading here is about what ADP has become under the leadership of Carlos. ADP was always about making money, no question about that. But it was also about family and work/life balance. About being respected as an employee and a human being. That is No longer true. So that's what the frustration and negative comments are about. You actually should not come on the site if you looking for sunshine and rainbows. Or just to blow smoke. NOT buying it.

I was the one that posted about "freedom of speech" earlier. Where did I say that freedom of speech was only for specific people? Freedom of speech is for everyone. Don't misinterpret what I say or put words into my mouth. I honestly can't believe that you would think that. We live in a free society, not a totalitarian regime.

I think freedom of speech goes both ways. He/she can ask whatever they want.

I’m still here until I can get another job. My ‘exorbitant’ salary has not made me rich enough to retire before age 50, so I have no choice but to keep working for the devil until I land another job. STill have a mortgage to pay!

Honest question: Why are you asking such a strange question on a layoff site? Most of the people that post here have been laid off or quit ADP. As for the ones that still work for ADP, it is their business if they want to work for this company and they can say anything they want about it. Freedom of speech I think they call it.

Don't like what people say here? No one is forcing you to come here and read stuff that you may not like.