People work so hard at Ford for decades thinking their hard work, loyalty and dedication will mean something and then they end up discarded, dismissed by those on top like they never existed.
We have lost all of the core values that made Ford great - both to employees and customers.
I'm now ashamed to call this place my workplace.
Ford has no loyalty towards any of its employees. Ask 100 thousand Ford employees who were moved to Visteon & lost their pension benefits. Those who were hired back from Visteon to Ford came in as new employees with no pension plan.
I am just so happy that Ford ship is sinking.
From 21bc - “The main point is all the 30+ year higher-ups here have had and still have their good ole boys clubs to protect them.”
The trouble is that good ole boys club protection extends only to the club. It does not extend to those long term employees who actually do the work, and not just talk about it. It does not extend to those long term employees who do not meet their demographic (gender, race, religion, etc)
A few decades of observation tells me this will not change anytime soon. The successor good ole boys club is already forming in millennial hires. Ever watched the movie Mean Girls? Each hiring classes there are the new members of the Plastics (good ole boy club) selected and they merge into the existing network. It is the current and past Ford DNA.
For all of you Ford employees out there - there no loyalty with the company. Ford will do what it takes to survive and the employees will do what it takes to keep their job or leave the company for a better job. There are many lazy, unproductive workers at Ford. This include salary and hourly.
There employees must be weeded out for the better. These employees have no self motivation and all they will do is work as much overtime as they can while they are allowed.
Shame on management at Ford to allow GSR to work more than 8 hours per week of OT, all they are doing is showing at the plant and disappeared. This is another reason why Ford can't make profits as they should. Ford profits for 2018 should have been $20B instead of $7B. This is due to poor quality products, warranty and repair cost, safety recalls, making products that customers don't want to buy, lazy and inefficient workforce, no internal engineering or design team, Ford engineers hire outside suppliers to engineer and design their products and equipment. Lots of money and resources wasted.
Yes there are a lot of lazy millennials too. No one is arguing that. The main point is all the 30+ year higher-ups here have had and still have their good ole boys clubs to protect them.
When these LL4's and such with 30 something years here get let go why she we feel sorry for them? They had 30 plus years of stability and bliss. Plus they have big salaries, nice 401s, and even PENSIONS, pension will be an extinct word in 10 years.
The higher ups decision making is also what ultimately got us here. They are set for life and probably have 3 homes to go home to. And a lot of them probably haven't put in an ounce of honest work in years.
Boomer w/o ford pension here
People very have short memories.
Coming out of college in mid eighties was very lucky to get a job. Many of my college friends were not so lucky and did construction, retail, etc for years before going back to school again when the labor market shifted.
The interest rates for a mortgage were 15-17% it was nearly impossible to get a mortgage.
After six months on the job there were massive layoffs (oil industry), luckily I survived it. The following 5 years there successive layoffs. After 5 years I had enough and switched industries. 5 years of bliss and then one day the company was involved in a hostile take over. Layoffs followed. Switched industries again, 2 years in yearly layoffs were a fact of life.
Eventually landed at Ford, and the only difference is the large population of people who feel entitled to a paycheck for just showing up.
So yes I have a lot saved, but that is because I drove cheap used cars and lived in a small ‘starter’ house my entire career and saved money like a fiend. The youth can do the same thing if the choose.
I don't think it's necessarily "millennials vs. boomers." In one sense yes we are in the same boat, and it's important not to forget that. I don't have any ill will against any boomer, just as long as they can acknowledge that millennials have it much harder as far as the broader labor market goes. It's a much more ruthless and thankless time for us than it was in decades past. Companies are out to make profits off of workers' backs like never before. And we have a much longer road ahead in this labor market. And we have no pensions waiting for us once we retire. I don't want anyone to lose their job, but without a doubt it should be a much softer landing for a boomer to get cut if they hired in when pensions were still around, and have had all their life to save up and prepare for an event like this. Granted you get used to a certain lifestyle that normally fits your salary, so a boomer that gets cut may be in for some unwelcome changes in their lifestyle. And admittedly most of the cuts seem targeted at them, so they get the short end of the stick in that regard. So yes I don't think it's really millennials vs boomers, just acknowledge that we inhabit two different realities in regard to where we're at in the labor market, both of which have their plusses and minuses. Honestly though I'd rather be a boomer concerned about being cut but with a pension to fall back on rather than a millennial who is a little less concerned about cuts, but overall way more concerned about what is going to happen to the job market in the next 30 years and whether or not I'll ever be able to retire.
I have no idea how this become millennial vs baby boomers. Don't get divided over nothing. The truth is making living became harder over time and no today job that may looks cushy over a laptop is not really cushy life in anyway shape or form. It became harder, and more complicated and everything come along its own package ( including diseases of setting all day long ).
Everyone here in the same boat, so don't let your fear and concerns make u feel otherwise. I would hate for anyone to loose their living. I wish the best for all. Just please do your best to have plan B and start looking for job. I bet some of the executive who got pushed into "retiring early" didn't see it coming. The message is easy we all are replaceable.
IDK why things devolve to greybeards vs millennials
I can tell you there are quite a lot of lazy incompetent Ford workers in both age groups.
In my immediate work area we are roughly half under 30 and half over 50.
There are equal number of unproductive employees in both age groups.
The two hardest working and most productive one is close to 60 and the other 25.
It's true that things are much worse for the millennial generation, and it's only going to continue to go downhill from here.
You can say what you want about their tactics, but the French are getting results from their protesting, which is still going on but not making news here in the US any more. If inequality here continues on its path, it may only be a matter of time until we have this here.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-protests/french-violence-flares-as-yellow-vest-protests-enter-fourth-month-idUKKCN1QX0AX
Well said - poor people that have been here for 30 years will only be able to take 1 vacation per year now vs the 4-5 they take now! Let the rest of us hVe opportunity to live cushy lives! I love that I bust my hump everyday and the “more seasoned” folks have the easy jobs and I have to do all the work. Must be nice
@1wgm well said! SPOT ON! If they have saved their $$, they will be just fine!
As a millennial it really seems a lot of the older generation is completely out of touch with the real world. Every company, especially the ones on Wall-Street conduct themselves like this. All companies see people as disposable peasants.
Consider yourselves lucky that your good ole boys clubs were able to get you that 25-30 years of protection because my generation will never see that same stability. We will be constantly floating between jobs every few years while we continue to be harassed by boomers that spent their 30 years with one company and want to come on sites like these and denounce the last few decades of their work and their company because they just got let go 6 months before they wanted too and now they have to wait an extra few months for their second vacation home :(....
For those of you that have worked hard and don't have cushy pensions to go home too, I genuinely wish all of you the best. Hopefully the productive workers come out on top these next couple months.
disclaimer I did not say/am not saying ALL the older generation, but I think we all know the type of people I'm talking about. We all have them in our buildings.
The smart and talented individuals who drove us into the ditch are the same ones who are going to extract us from the ditch and steer us to our new nirvana of a company.
I'm picturing a flocks and flocks of pheasants. Thanks! Yes, I know you meant peasants but it's still amusing. Cheers!
Yes...It is across the whole system. It's a corporate epidemic. When things go well for the company, because of the pheasant's efforts, the Kings, Nobles, and, even the Vassals reap the benefits, but when things are bad, the pheasant's become "cannon fodder". It's been that way for "decades" and only getting progressively worse.
The employer/employees relationship is broken and has been for some time. Consider yourself lucky if you are only realizing this now. It is getting worse and will continue to get worse unless we start having a real conversation about wealth in this country.
Ditto
IT IS NOT JUST FORD.
I hope that people start to realize that the whole system is rotten. All that matters any more in corporate America is maximizing profits and shareholder value. Companies don't exist to give people jobs, they exist to generate profit. If you aren't a wealthy investor, sorry, you lose.