PE and manager send emails on Saturdays and Sundays to pretend they are working 24/7. I really don't want to stay in this shi**y company run by HR goons.
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I see PEs always bullshixxing in meetings and nothing gets done.
@6wwf this is exactly what I see in many PTD meetings with other orgs. They only send PEs and their contributions are nothing but BS. After the meetings, we always scratch our heads thinking it would be nice to have the people doing the actual work.
"I have yet to meet a PE who works less than 10 hours a day and does less than 3x what an RCG is capable of."
All the PEs I know earn their pay check by sitting in customer meetings, conferences and standards bodies and bringing in hottest new requirements from customers. It is this last part of managing customer requirements, by hiding them from their lesser peers, that they earn their paycheck. You will never find them at desk or in town on an average working day.
Real work at Intel is done by grade 6,7,8 engineers at Intel. The guys who code RTL, debug eye piercing bit streams and code snippets with various tools at nano resolutions. Most PEs are glorified marketing engineers with a political ear of the management and a huge savvy for playing up and down the chain. Most of them prey upon the insecurities of their grades 6,7,8 peers to win trust and that next promotion from these wise elders.
Most PEs are like the DiCapri role in "catch me if you can" movie. Know how to connect the dots do long as those dots are confined in their islands of hard work and management silos.
I have seen that in my group...OP is right.
Yeah, Intel is rotten in corruption at all levels. Faking data, anyone?
The corruption and cronyism is so deep that, at least in the past few years and in my group, many of the people being promoted to PE have been self-promoters, political insiders and favored sons and daughters vs. brilliant technical people.
This just leads to further cynicism among the best technical folks...and (because they know in their heart of hearts why they were promoted vs. others) PE's who are insecure and threatened by others in the group. It was just a poisonous, toxic workplace.
+1 @1wmk too bad at Intel experience also made PEs realize that the can cheat, steal, take shortcuts, treat people very badly, produce no meaningful work and still get promoted.
Experience can make you 10x more efficient than newbies. But some PEs do nothing and take credit for work done by others. Currently Intel management is so incompetent that they cannot figure out who really is a useful worker and who is not. All Intel's problems stem from that.
I have yet to meet a PE who works less than 10 hours a day and does less than 3x what an RCG is capable of.
Not saying all PE's are like that, but in my experience they're worth what they're paid.
@nph - yeah, as a visitor to JF from FSM, it was shocking to see the parking lot so empty before 9 AM. At a fab site, the parking lot fills up at 7 AM.
Jones Farm is a ghost town before 9am and after 5pm.
Pool tables and ping pong tables filled all day long too!
GPTW!
@idq sure some experienced people can manage time better. But there is a lot of bulls**tters and freeloaders that don't have accountability. I think OP is talking about those. Now if you have things done by 2pm, there is always something else to do until 5pm....don't you think?
@ITG84fA-nxk. My experience exactly. Age and experience sometimes equals efficiency that gets seen as 'slacking' or you might even work yourself out of a job. That's why Intel has so many huffers and puffers and grandstanders and PowerPoint braggards. For example, when I took over the last position I had at Intel, I inherited a mess. The young person who ran it was going on extended medical leave. She told me it was a 60-hour a week job minimum, and always something to do at night or weekends. It was such a mess that management actually considered just doing away with the role. However, by the time I got done with it, it was a manageable workload of no more than 35 hours a week and sometimes much less. So I reached out and took on other roles. Within 5 years, I was doing the first 'impossible' job plus the work of three others who were victims of SET. When I left Intel, it was running so smoothly they could hand over the reins to an RCG. I wish her well but can also imagine things descending into chaos, at which point they should eliminate the role. Sometimes when you make hard things look easy, people think you are lazy.
I am an old guy of 58 who retired from Intel in 2015. Took the offered VSP and rule of 75. Best thing I ever did.
The last 5 years of working there, I would come in at 9 and leave no later than 4. I was NOT a manager but a design engineer. By this time, teamwork at Intel had largely disappeared.
One day, one of the younger colleagues ask why I could go home at 4 but they had to work until 7pm. I told them that I could do 8 hours work by 2pm and it takes them until 7pm to do 8 hours work because I already knew what to do, how to do it, and what not to do. They then asked me to tell them what I knew. I replied that if I told them, they would then know what I know plus what they know and I would be out of a job, and so go and re-invent the wheel again with your fresh MS and PhDs. I only had a BS.
That truly sad part is that there was no one in my management chain who would call BS on this kind of behavior
+1 @dcr, but that is the reason Intel is a trainwreck about to crash. Any innovation that will trigger survival was shut down by the laziness and political greed. Intel was once a technical innovation company, it's now a cash cow about to get eaten by competitors.
yep that is the case unfortunately. Just need to play the game or get pushed out. as sh--ty as it is, perception is reality.