Thread regarding Teradata Corp. layoffs

So What Is Wrong At Teradata , a perspective

This is hopefully not just a rant but a reasoned view.

I have been in and out of Teradata for almost 15 years finally leaving some time back.

This is what i see is wrong , in no particular order.

  1. You can't tell someone they're doing it wrong if what they're doing is making them money.

If my car is running fine, a mechanic telling me about my messed up gear alignment and replacing the clutch pressure plate thats 'about to die' isn't going to convince me to spend $3543 in parts and labor.

The warning signs have been there for a long time that Hadoop and its surrounding technologies will eat away at the core of the Data Warehousing business. The Teradata senior management chose to ignore it and still chooses to do so in the interest of short-term profits and that has brought a once proud company to this position.

  1. Middle Management

Teradata is filled with middle managers whose sole contribution is survival.

There is no accountability for screwing up.

F---ing up products badly, no problem , suggesting the wrong solution, no problem, bad sales decisions, no problem, hiring the wrong people for the job at high salaries, no problem.

F---ing it up has never gotten any middle manager fired., ever.

  1. Share Price

As in not caring about it.

Why does share price matter? It affects your company both internally and externally.

Having a rising share price means you can play a different game than the rest of your competitors.

Internally it helps hire and retain good employees. Externally it lets your customers know you are doing good.

TD management has never cared deeply enough about share prices.

  1. Engineering

In technology, once you have bad programmers, you're doomed. I can't think of an instance where a company has sunk into technical mediocrity and recovered. Good programmers want to work with other good programmers. So once the quality of programmers at your company starts to drop, you enter a death spiral from which there is no recovery.

Anyone who has worked in TD for more than a few years knows the quality of our Engineering has dropped every year.

Products do not deliver what they promise or worse are not delivered at all.

The less said about the newer products built or acquired , the better.

And that's my take.

I will be checking the site and am happy to answer any questions i can.

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Post ID: @OP+ELPnCG6

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  • revenue not growing - traditional dwh disrupted by the new shiny things like spark, hadoop, need to market better, expand into new territory

  • costs too high - lots of overpaid senior people with little productivity, need to rationalize spending, invest more in R&D

  • many partners are not helping, time to cut those relationships and invest in new ones

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Post ID: @ubek+ELPnCG6

So true:

Modelling in Aster is an exercise in futility. The iterative workflow of a data scientist is simply not considered.

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Post ID: @nprh+ELPnCG6

@ELPnCG6-jqom

On the TD EDW

  • Product Management/Engineering missed the bus on the growing trend of true Virtualization. Given the architecture of TD , this should have been a no-brainer.

  • JSON capability came with a lot of fanfare in 2014. No seriously, 2014. JSON has been a first class citizen in other DB's since 2008 onwards at least.

  • XML processing in EDW is still a magic art.

The EDW is however not a growth market and the effects here are minimal. The growth is on the Big Data side and that's where the newer products are. Lets take a look at those

(I left a while back so the latest information might be different.)

  • Aster is still only MapReduce with some functions in BSP. Why is it not in-memory? Why is HDFS not a first-class citizen? This was flagged as an issue in 2012 , just after the product was acquired. The issue still remains the same.

  • There were moves to have a common analyst workbench across all products including R and Python. Instead of in-process, real multithreaded access, we have out of process single threaded access to external functions with the result aggregated per-node. That is simply not a scalable architecture.

  • Modelling in Aster is an exercise in futility. The iterative workflow of a data scientist is simply not considered.

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Almost all the original designers and developers of the product had left by the time i moved on, this must have been for very good reasons.

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Post ID: @knyd+ELPnCG6

I would like to hear a description of why, in technical terms, you feel engineering had declined. CTDE

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Post ID: @jqom+ELPnCG6

Have there been any layoffs yesterday or today and Dayton's M & A department or are they holding that in place to facilitate a sale to someone larger?

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Post ID: @5kqr+ELPnCG6

This hits the nail right on the head. I rode the Teradata train for over 20 years and saw the the old boys club of NCR slowly destroy the original Teradata values of powerful ideas and missionary zeal. I saw an instance where a 3 year, multi-million dollar development program had to be completely scrapped and the manager in charge was simply moved to another area with just a slap on the wrist - he was part of the "club" after all. The board is responsible for the weak management for sure.

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Post ID: @5wfu+ELPnCG6

To @ELPnCG6-4uwh : My intention with the post here was not to say that TD is evil. I don't think Teradata for the most part is evil, at least intentionally. We are as much a consulting organization as some of our competitors.

However, internally we have lost the plot.

Middle to Senior Management has lost the ability to distinguish between reality and their own spin. They read their own press and consider it to be true.

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Post ID: @5lya+ELPnCG6

TD fell behind, we are paying the price now

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Post ID: @5vfu+ELPnCG6

Why do you all think that Teradata might be evil? Compared to other vendors we are pretty good with our customers

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Post ID: @4uwh+ELPnCG6

This is so true. My take...

  1. Hadoop was missed and misunderstood

  2. Middle management keeps milking

  3. Nothing to add, look at the chart for stock price

  4. Engineering has been in a steady decline for about 10 years now, look at #3 and #2 for reasons

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Post ID: @4jue+ELPnCG6

Yep, I totally agree. Albeit I haven't been at TD for 15 years.....you hit the nail on the head. Sad to see such a once ethical company go down the tubes.

As a former client -- and now a former employee -- you bet I won't be buying anything (Hardware or Apps) again from this company EVER again.

Bad Karma All The Way Around! (And you thought Larry Ellison was evil: YIKES!)

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Post ID: @2efe+ELPnCG6

Great post - thanks for taking time, this is gold

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Post ID: @1jov+ELPnCG6

Good points man. It all points to the old boys club running the company.

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Post ID: @1pll+ELPnCG6

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