Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

How long have you worked in aircraft!!!! Smdh

After the webcast today I think everything is goin to work out!! Wahoooo. They wouldn’t be telling us that if it wasn’t true. Think people worrying for nothing. Will be cranking out 57 in no time.

Well smarter than you, from people closer to the situation than I’m sure you are saying a yr at least. It’s shielding and another cable. Hope ya have decent seniority. Good luck.

The 5K is a signing bonus for a new 4 year contract extension (signed in 2015, the one which members sold out all the hard work previous generations gained against Boeing, for 10K and 777X job security) which starts in September and ends in 2024.

Wah, the new guys don't deserve a raise or the january bonus. Think about this, if starting pay had gone up with max pay grade 9 would start at $31, not 20 or the new 24. So whining cause your a bitter baby boomer just shows it's time for you to retire before you keel over dead at your desk. Cost of living has gone up significantly in the 11 years since the starting pay was set. Most places in washington you aren't gong to be able to get a halfway decent apartment unless you bring home close to $29/hr. So yeah, new guys are worried about not getting the $5k because that could be the difference between having a place to live if there is a big layoff or being homeless in short order. The manager meeting friday was them being told to have a team meeting and let everyone know that not having all the ppe on is an automatic write up, an easy way to thin the herd.

Flight control cable shielding shouldn’t take that long to certify try again OP.

Hearing flight control cables need to be shielded from engine explosions. 2021. Going to be a long ride!

Was told the webcast tomorrow will be announcing first wave of layoffs. Any truth to that idk?

I had heard that there was a follow up management/executive webcast on the Friday following the all employee webcast.

Since I saw nothing here about it...either there are no managers here, none willing to speak of it, or there was no bad news beyond what we already know.

To those who are still trying to blame McDonnell Douglas for everything that's wrong with Boeing - the merger was more than 20 years ago, and Dennis Muilenburg is one of YOURS, a heritage Boeing person from Seattle all the way. He was my boss back in the days when he was just a low-level manager, and I had respect for him then. He was my wife's boss when he had begun his rise to the top, and our respect for him started to decline as we saw his obvious power-hunger and willingness to do anything to advance. Once he got into senior executive territory, it was disheartening to hear him spouting the same old management cliches that you'd expect from someone with no technical grounding at all. Sorry folks, but Seattle owns him and this entire debacle. Man up and fix it!

The downfall started with merge of Mcdonell Douglas. In fact, most of the board was constructed from senior board members of Douglas.. This is where the culture of Boeing changed. Build airplanes and design them with cheaper outsourcing. Stonecipher believed in this philosophy and Boeing continued this for a decade. With that being said, the rank and file used to have a voice. That voice I believed through the strikes would give the board of directors a clearer vision where the company would go. Meanwhile, the board of directors under Mcnerney decided to present the rank and file with a long standing contract and a bonus.. They made the rank and file believe 737 Max would take the company to levels never seen before. The backlog was tremendous. 5500 planes..But, Mcnerney didn't want to do it the right way by redesigning a brand new plane. They wanted to slam the door on Airbus and go the cheaper route. Well that route has put the Max future and rank and file in jeopardy. With the FAA having a new chief getting that plane in the air will be difficult. Personally speaking, Boeing operating cash flow is still in great shape even if they abandon the Max outright. Gaining public trust and bringing back the old reputation of Boeing is needed. We need a culture change at the top. How do we accomplish this,by abandoning the Max and bring in the best engineers and redesign a new plane. By doing this, we will bring back the Boeing of old and make Bill Boeing proud again...

Boeing will have to get it right. The only way to achieve this is abandon. The Max outright. No one is getting fooled by some kind of fix.. Game over. Build a new plane and get done the right way...

Ralf Nader going to bury this plane. It’s a flying corvair. People need to start being realistic about it. The process is been in motion for awhile now. Anybody workin for boing for 20 plus yrs has seen this before. Slow systematic process. They know the planes unfixable. Going to take a redesigned wing and engine to fix it. Good luck.

Last contract I was there the fix was in, Boeing, state of Washington, and union, we were pawns, it was criminal what happened.

Boeing needs to cancel or buy back all contracts after 2021’ rebrand the max, keep a minimum work force in Renton to preserve the line and clean sheet a new narrow body for the future. It’s going to take at least five years to clean this mess up! But it’s going to take new leadership with the balls to make the hard decision that the 737 so desperately needs.

As per the union contract, "new guys" do have a right to the $5,000.00 bonus (see pg. 192 in handbook) even if "old timers" are angry and belittling about it. "Old timers" still have a pension + a 401K + whatever bonus $ is "awarded" due to signing away pensions. I will never have a pension from Boeing, and I don't think it's fair to come on here and fight your union brothers and sisters on this issue. If you are such a badass: 1) why didn't YOU stop the contract sell-out?! 2) why don't you have a grasp on: grammar and spelling? and 3) why are you online trolling people who are afraid for their financial future? Entitled much?

You new guys are worried you won’t get the 5k If you get laid off.
Guess what you don’t deserve that 5k you were not here during the pension takeaway
Folks getting spit on and fights outside the plant.
If you new guys miss out on the 5k I’ll get satisfaction out of it.
Crying over 5 k hell if there was another extension it’ll pass yes yes yes cause all you guys only want free stuff.

Boeing leadership took Boeing’s cash cow into a field and shot in the head’ nice job leadership.

The webcast for Tuesday was sent to union stewards supposedly. Will see.

People are rightfully worried. If you have nothing useful to add go away.

Than quit your crying and deal with it. It's a job I've been there for years. If we get slips so be it. You dont die when you walk out the gate theres other jobs.

Because we totally don't know it's unfortunate and life goes on /s

(Reply to snarky comment below)

Unfortunate to say the least, but life does go on.

Nothing on my Boeing home page for a web meeting or anything about another web cast.

I didn’t see any notice of a meeting on Tuesday...

Curious if anyone has any idea what departments they will lay off in?

Tuesday having another webcast. Hammer about to drop!

Here is my scenario.

Boeing really would like to avoid layoffs at all cost. They have put so much into training the new employees over the last 5-8 years to take over for the ongoing retiring employees. The last thing they want to do is lay off the employees that are trying to get the knowledge and get up to speed.

If FAA certifies airplane by October then all is good in my opinion. If they push till 2020. Then I would assume a layoff 60 day warn in October. The reason is they want to minimize what they have to pay in January for the 5k signing bonus to all the active union members on the payroll.

About 9k union members at Renton plant so they would probably try to move a bunch temporarily to Everett to help with things but others would be at risk of a short 3-12 month layoff in my opinion.
Anyone on salary its pretty much up to the company if you are valuable enough to keep.

So anyone with seniority under 7 years could be at risk due to bumps and movements. Keep in mind they can retain 4.5% in three different levels 0-9 years, 10-15 years and 15+. So if you are valuable enough like Team Leader then you will most likely be retained.

Either way it would be a temporary thing. Enjoy unemployment take some time off, watch some Price Is Right and time will fly by and you will get your call back. I would over the next three months pay those debts that may be hurting you to a minimum as you will need to free up extra cash for critical items.

All in all. Life goes on. Plenty of Jobs in the U.S. Don't let it stress you out too much.

Why does the CEO of BCA have the same name as the main character in the Home Alone movies?? Are you guys seeing what I'm seeing... Not a good sign...

Wouldn’t it be crazy if the planes actually made it, and we all got to keep our jobs? I was hired a week before the first plane crashed in October. I am probably the first out the door. But I knew in March, when the second tragedy happened, this isn’t going to be good. I am still hoping for the best, but I started preparing for the worst a few months ago .

If you needed to wait until the all hands meeting to see the writing on the wall, you must be a newer employee...
So far, historical timeline A, B, C, and D have happened.
Meaning:
737 sh*t hit the fan, self induced, people died = A
737 FAA shut it down, world regulators shut it down/worldwide grounding. No new orders (set in stone, not Intent), canceled orders = B
777x: GE9x engine setbacks/certification push back. Wings cracking/breaking in fatigue testing before they should. Pushes first flight out....possible major impact to launch customer. = C
All other programs/areas: issues, defects with production, Tooling, etc that impact schedule, resulting in re-adjustment of schedule/slides = D

Historically, those of us that have been around long enough have been waiting for E to happen. E was just finally introduced, but on a low key level at this point; but E is set in motion to happen. No way around it. What is bizarre, is that it’s taken this long to introduce E.

E= involuntarily layoffs

Now that we have had the all hands meeting, I am thinking we may be looking at layoffs. Probably anyone in the last 5 to 7 years will face a layoff, depending which areas they lay off in.

Also, I am not positive about us being able to get the plane flying again, there is just to many obstacles in the way. I am concerned if they will get it back in the air at all TBH. I mean if they are going to lay off, some glimmer of hope would be the plane going back into service at some point. If they can't get the plane back into service at all, that's going to s—

I don't think we can avoid a lay off. Most of new employees hopefully have a back up plan. It does look like Boeing will have to reduce its work force. I don't see the plans being able to fly by October, so Boeing will more then likely start lay offs soon. This s—s. I am out of a job. I hired in 8 months ago. :(. I already have my back up plan and will be fine. But this will also effect the unemployment ratting, especially with Nissan laying off also. So then it will end up being political because we all know Trump takes full credit for the economy right now....So when it goes in the c-apper, just saying.

Here's something to chew on. What if Boeing decided to abandoned the Max totally. Sell Renton plant and work on new design. Plenty of room in Everett to build new plane. Between the fix that maybe unfixable and building public trust back they may have no other choice. Just saying..

I just ordered 20 packages of sani hands sanitizing wips. Just saying. Our tool room is stalked full, and like I said, I just placed my weekly order for more. It s—s what is going on. All you can do is hope for the best, and always have a back up plan.

Our tool room no longer issues hand wipes either.

If you don’t have at least 12 years seniority in most job codes your dust in the wind. If Boeing shuts down the supply chain, it will be like 9-11 here again. Parking will get better.

They did not get rid of hand wipes I issue them all day long. Go to your tool room clerk, And have them look it up. We have all hands meetings every quarter just like every corporation across America does. Best outcome the planes go back in the air by October and all of our asses just got saved. Worst case scenario, the planes don’t go back in the air and we go on our employment .

I think I like with the person before me said. May the odds forever be in your favor

In Auburn they have stopped purchasing hand wipes. We were told this is to save money!

"All-Employee Webcast: Join Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg at 9 a.m. PT Thursday, July 25" - Company internal announcement to all employees

"Boeing Earnings Crater as the 737 MAX Grounding Takes a Toll" - Yahoo Finance

"Boeing Warns It Could Halt 737 MAX Production If Return Is Further Delayed" - Forbes

Boeing shares drop more than 3% today, while competitosr Northrop Grumman's shares gain by almost 6%, Raytheon's 1.6%, Lockheed Martin's 3%.

Current employee working in El Segundo, CA for Boeing Defense, Space & Security reporting that coworkers have rumored of possible job cuts for the site. Managers have indicated in previous staff meeting that a job freeze have been put in place for the El Segundo site. Several staffs have left for various reasons: moved to another assignment, changed to another program/site, moved to another company completely. It has been observed on job agency sites (Indeed/Glassdoor) that for the El Segundo area Boeing jobs have significantly reduced from what was observed months before. Managers and team leads have not provided clear guidelines on company directions and outlook; various clues were hinted: company trying to cut down on costs on hiring, traveling, unnecessary spending, etc. Numerous employees were notified of staff cuts. Possible more bad news looming in the near future...

Advice from a coworker: time to polish your resume!