Thread regarding Ford layoffs

There are two good threads on this, the first one is "FNV4" and it's linked here @OP+1jw0tqgdc and "I asked AI why FNV4 failed" linked here @OP+1jwaze9tg - this seems to be a popular topic.

@t5+1jsybqq5q - I prefer not to write his initials, but I can write that his name is of a Persian origin.

Apparently our BB Canadian employees have a lot of time to come down vote the truth!

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Doug is paid over a hundred times more than a working engineer and has been managing this program for the last four years. Lost billions a year, not sure how or on what, less than a thousand people were working on fnv4 within the company. Now he is reverting to technology that was built before his arrival at Ford to pay the bills while promising rainbows and sunshine with ce1. I think that there is something really wrong with all the money numbers being thrown around, unless there was a lot of money spent with outside suppliers or went to other projects other than fnv4.

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DF is not the person to blame. It would have never made it this far in development without his leadership.

This was a team effort from top to bottom.

Fnv4 was all conceived by inept team in Michigan and then clueless executive mgmt pursued it. Why blame the worker bees anywhere.

To the last poster, while not entirely former BlackBerry employees' fault, they certainly share part of the blame. 8 years after buying Blackberry and bringing their employees on board, those employees still think they are working for a fly by night, seat of their pants, small company. You're part of an enterprise now. With processes and procedures. When you cut corners the reviews catch this and the project is further delayed than if you had just done it right to begin with. No, the backend production server cannot be a server under your desk. No you can't just grab every free and open source library and platform and install it yourself and use it in the production software.

This isn't hockey. Or even curling. It's Enterprise level system development. BCP isn't having the source code on your laptop.

BlackBerry failed because of the "a few dorks in the garage"mentality. And they never learned that lesson.

As a former crew member on another Doug Titan(ic) I did a deepresearch search after I saw his name mentioned in the news yesterday and the results had a link to this site. I was digging a bit as the amount lost on this project is on par with the one I was part of but the speed at which Ford spent it is incredible. Reading the thread however, it was stunning to read how everyone outside Michigan that worked on this project seems to be at fault ("Canadians", "SV flunkies", all is missing are the usual suspects "Mexicans" and "Indians", maybe the obligatory references to H1Bs). I always thought that Doug picked some of his bad management habits at Ford, after all he started his career there, and after reading these comments I am convinced more of that: "I am not at fault and I blame everyone else (as long as not from Michigan)" should be the name of this thread. The Ford presence in SV is tiny, so I don't know how many "blackberries" you have at Ford, but unless there are 20000 of them (1 billion budget is 5000 people in the Valley!), you guys and Doug are literally cut from the same cloth: fail and blame!

It is down to all you clowns here, not bi--hing, you are as bad as your senior clowns, no point crying now, learn the lesson, have integrity and speak the truth

@rv+1jsybqq5q What are the initials of that manager? Usually, the ones from BB were a bit rough but “behaved” when US management was present.

Any good ll4 in that team from blackberry in Canada? Those on fnv4

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By the looked of 10 billion bought a clown show. Ford should hire Musk for a DOGE audit.

The project cost is implied to be 10 billion over 2 years, 5 billion per year! That would almost buy you a Ford ... aircraft carrier.

according to reuters model e was losing 5b per year. anyone having any insight? is it related to fnv4? does anyone know how many people were working on this project?

Can’t believe I’m permanently associated to this cluster fu-k ffs

A couple a years ago I attended some meetings with Canadian management. There was one particular high level manager (from blackberry) that cursed a lot in the meetings. I was shocked that HR allowed that practice. Not sure if he is still around.

Anyone heard what parts of fnv4 are getting moved to fnv3+ and what parts are 100% dead?

it su-ks

DEI turns everything to sh!t.

Ford is what happens when you lead an organization through a culture of insecurities, backstabbing and condescending attitude. No one gives two sh--s what these leaders say or do anymore. The damage to the culture will take decades to repair if it ever does.

All of DFs direct reports are SV flunkies and grifters.

Ford's whole company is up in flames with the direction that the leadership has been taking it. They have not been looking at the actual needs of their customers or the desires that they would have. They have spent years trying to play catch-up and chase other companies vehicle lines when they should have been empowering their engineers and employees to create unique and innovative products. The Bronco is a good example of when Ford steps back from the bureaucracy they can produce cool products but when they continually throttle their engineers with red tape and bullsh*t, they can barely do the minimum job requested.
There are recalls on almost all, if not all, Ford platforms and cancelling these programs is just Ford trying to do damage control after they have allowed program management and the leadership to blow up the operations of the company.

Bedichek was another grifter that took the money and ran. No one ever said anything. Just poof and he disappeared.

Name and shame ll4 and ll3 that played along and caused this sheyt show

I've been personally asked to fake KPIs for FNV4 managers in order to ensure that they got their bonuses. The response from 4 different levels of management was to shut up and play ball if you wanted to stay employed. They were all aware of it and refused to allow any of it to be escalated.
The level of abuse, especially of primarily immigrant contract workers was appalling. Yelling at people, using them as scapegoats, unpaid weekend overtime and general workplace harassment were just par for the course. Nevermind the fake code reviews that'd get rubber stamped without even looking at the code.
Reporting any of this to HR got you fired.

The writing was on the wall for FNV4 when Rob Bedichek was taken out by the Clintons.

FNV4 is a disaster from day one . LLs should be the one who need to get sacked instead of GSRs.

I remember when Dougie Pink Bunny Slippers was asked about hybrids in a townhall.

His answer was that people should just shutup and go with full electric. That's when I knew he was a clown.

There is a reason the clowns, DF and PC, that we “poached” from Apple are failing. It’s because they had nothing to do with the success of those projects at Apple. They are just grifters that have failed their way to the top. I sit in these town halls and Q&A’s and listen to these clowns clearly BS their way through an answer on which they haven’t a clue about what they are talking about.

"DF wasn't wasn't given enough directive to lead the working level team and this is the result. I blame leadership at the very top."

How much guidance do you expect someone at that level to require?

DF wasn't wasn't given enough directive to lead the working level team and this is the result. I blame leadership at the very top.

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Don’t forget at the start of this bullsh-t we acquired a company/angency and absorbed their roster and had to make room for them in the leader levels.

I had a blackberry manager too I see the similarity now but I don’t get the angle

Oh and it came compiled LOL and we weren’t allowed to reverse engineer it and understand it for whatever reason

The black box situation is really bad at ford where engineers don’t know what they are working with because it was contracted from a. Third party and there wasn’t further consultation paid for knowledge transfer as well as documentation . Regarding vehicle comms

The project was on track until DF came on board and wasted everyone's time trying to put his brilliant imprint on everything. He brought nothing from Tesla that hadn't already been benchmarked.

Fnv4 internal ford development is good. But stack ford purchased is bad which is ele tro bit. Also lot of grpc issues mostly socket and threads problem. Last minute throwing out eb code which is replace with asio and othe4 third party libs. True micromanagement is lot and if you are not from blackberry you won't get promotion. Really hard working gsr will get anything.

It is mainly due to third party stack. Another in my team under diagnostics fnv4 a gsr psycho design and develop faster, yes psycho(je) delivers quick but management fools expect other team members are also at same speed(ahm & ab). Another major reason manager does lot of micro managing extremely bad never allow leads to work, bad design comes from tester and requirment engineer both total waste (sah && sneh**) useless garbage

I am gsr . Making reason flopped is electro bit stack which is garbage and useless. Blackberry ll6 fools bought this garbage with no real value. Every delivery is 180 degree apart from previous release
Poor thread processing. None of the old school understood rpc. Last minutes major change in socket programming which is stupid approach. Also nonsense suggestion, there is a team for api development which is called base entirely garbage. I see lot people from with good knowledge and experience but their suggestions totally ignored . Lead should design.but stupid test leads and people with no experience gather requirements . Make entire fnv4 a failure.

Empower the technical leads get rid of netcom garbage. This what ford needs to carry out.

@cm+1jsybqq5q Same experience with Canada LL6s - most of them are micromanagers and are quick to blame GSRs when things go wrong. Never worked with such clueless management, I am surprised that FNV4 lasted for this long. It should have been shutdown last year itself.

You have people from agencies turned into LL6 to lead with no clear vision or people skill. There was micro-managing day n night with id--ts all up and down the leadership chain. Management in Canada je-king each other off and changing the process every other day while actual work kept getting delayed. Most of the LL6s I’ve seen didn’t even work and gaslit their gsrs and waste time on scrum. I hope these guys that didn’t do sh-t for the l for the past 2 years gets to let go first!