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751 Leadership Filed A Complaint With The - National Labor Relations Board -

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1uElxmAv

The offer bypassed the local’s negotiating team and appealed directly
to the membership. 751 leadership already filed a complaint with the
National Labor Relations Board
For violations of collective bargaining laws for the same reason during
the original contract negotiations.

We here at Boeing Management refute such claims of criminality
As our high standards and ethics, preclude such behavior.

No comment has been forthcoming from Holden or 751,
but the president of the “parent” IAM issued to following statement,
ABC TV News reported yesterday:

“Employees knew Boeing executives were lying through their teeth,
and this shows that the workers were right all along.
We have all had to deal with Boeing’s intrinsic mendacious conduct for decades.”

The proposal will be analyzed to see if it’s up to the task of helping workers
gain adequate ground on their prior sacrifices,”
said Bill Bryant, president of IAM International.

In My Humble OPINION
This Smacks of Kabuki Theater; a clownish inept attempt at social engineering.
Don’t trust the union, it’s us, Boeing management with your best interests at heart.

Trust your lying eyes, believe in what you see and hear, Trust your gut feeling.
Because the reality is,
The Union has its toոgue so far up Boeing’s Backѕide that they first have to ask
Boeing to Faгt, so they can free their toոgue to speak.

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https://www.manufacturing.net/automotive/news/22921782/boeing-striking-machinists-break-off-talks-without-progress

Boeing, Striking Machinists Break Off Talks Without Progress

In an update posted on social media platforms X and Facebook,
a regional district of the International Association of Machinists
and Aerospace Workers asserted late Friday that Boeing
"would not engage substantively” on key issues important to members —
such as higher pay — and didn't budge on calls to restore a defined-benefit
pension that was axed 10 years ago.

No further negotiation dates were scheduled after Friday's session
led by federal mediators, IAM District 751 said.
The union added that it remained “open to talks with the company,
either direct or mediated.”

Eff em, I for one am happy to be out of there for now,
I feel healthier and happier.
A six month break from managements psycho babbling BS is fine with me.

Maybe they will figure out how to manage by then and maybe just maybe
they will figure out that there are no options to building safe aircraft.
Doing it right takes time, real time, not Spreadsheet Time.

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Post ID: @6guh+1uGgRKzE

In the next decade Machinist will be needed more than ever. Just wait for it!

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Boeing Yields On Deadline For Union

Boeing Co. backed down from a Friday night deadline for striking workers to
approve its latest contract offer after union leaders refused to schedule a vote.

The plane-maker angered labor officials by taking its proposal to increase wages
by 30% directly to workers on Monday, bypassing traditional negotiating sessions. The sparring has injected new tension into the talks at a time when
the cash-strapped planemaker can't afford a long, drawn-out strike.

Boeing's tactics have also puzzled some long-time observers of the
Plane-maker's labor relations.

"It doesn't make any sense," Leon Grunberg, an academic who's tracked
Boeing labor relations for a quarter-century.
"I don't know if it's a misstep from the CEO or people further down."

Like launching a leaking spacecraft most of what Boeing is doing these days
doesn't make any sense

The surprise pitch came days after mediated talks stalled with negotiators for
the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers,
which represents 33,000 striking hourly workers at Boeing's commercial
airplane hub in the Pacific Northwest.

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2024/sep/26/boeing-yields-on-deadline-for-union/?business-national

More Theater ? What do you think ?

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Post ID: @1nfg+1uGgRKzE

Hopefully Boeing doesn't layoff all, and rehire permanent workers again..
30% raise and guys got offended...

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Post ID: @1cek+1uGgRKzE

The union leadership needs to get past its butthurt and actually use the democratic processes the union was founded on.

Give it an up/down vote. I can say I am voting no. But as a member of a string union, I will abide by the vote of my brothers and sisters in arms.

UNION STRONG!!!

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Post ID: @1kov+1uGgRKzE

Although Boeing is still trying and failing at everything, its number one problem
Is getting its striking machinists back on the job.
It has many other corporate fires to put out but this one is stopping them from
scгewing anything else up.

One crisis made worse by the work stoppage is the company’s dwindling
supply of cash that it squandered on stock buy backs along with the exorbitantly
paid executives and the bonuses they received while ruining the company’s future.

Bank of America (BAC) analyst Ron Epstein told Quartz on Wednesday said
that Boeing is losing $50 million a day of cash through lost revenue
and continuing costs.
That might not sound like much to a company whose latest quarterly earnings
report said it has a $12.6 billion cash position, largely recognized as funny money.
But, when that same company had a $4.3 billion quarterly cash outflow before
it lost its main source income,
the situation becomes trickier to navigate.

“If the strike goes beyond a certain point — I wish I could tell you,
maybe a month? —
the risk increases,” Epstein said. “If you get beyond a month,
things get more disruptive, as the supply chain starts to dissolve
as people look for jobs outside the fickle world of aerospace, never to return.

Fortune recently reported that,
without its workers, the plane-maker has stopped production of its 737 MAX,
767, and 777/777X commercial aircraft models.
Among them, that’s 87% of Boeing’s current jetliner delivery backlog.

Epstein said he’s surprised negotiations have become so tense between Boeing
and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM).
He said his team had been penciling in the 40% wage increase the IAM had
been asking for, figuring they’d get it in short order, as it’s a no brainer.

While The Union, tried and failed to cajole and inveigle its members into
accepting Boeing's first offer of 25%; that didn’t pass the smell test
and was seen as laughable by the workforce i.e. its paying members
who resoundingly voted the offer down by 96%.

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Post ID: @nxr+1uGgRKzE

Real reason Holden is mad, is that there is no 401k to the union on this lasted offer. I don’t want that either, that should be on the survey. We don’t want a 401k in the unions hand 🤚🏼 period the end.

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Post ID: @tbx+1uGgRKzE

Tight Labor Market

Boeing is facing a tight labor market. During the last strike, in 2008, which lasted less than two months, the company was in better financial shape,
and there was less job competition in the area.

One Boeing supplier told CNBC that furloughing or laying off workers would cause problems for months down the road because it takes so long to train staff on such technical and detailed work.

During the pandemic, Boeing and its suppliers shed thousands of workers. They’ve since struggled to hire and train workers in time for the resurgence in air travel and aircraft demand.

“You’re in an environment where skilled, technical labor is hard to get right now, particularly in aerospace and defense,” said Bank of America’s Epstein.

“So what do you do to not only retain them but attract them?
If they really want a Pension, maybe that gives you a competitive advantage
over people who are trying to attract talent.”

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Post ID: @csr+1uGgRKzE

No one cares. If Boeing posts the jobs, they will have a line of applicants a mile long.

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