There’s been a lot of talk here about CL 30 by age 30 if you want a high flying career. But I’m wondering what the “average” end-of-career CL looks like for someone who is good/not great but manages to make it 30 years in EMRE/GP type career paths. I was under the impression most people topped out in the high 20s. Is that about right?
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You can want a high flying career all day long but it won’t happen unless a sponsor picks you out at age 22 when you join the company with a BS degree. Older than that and they are just looking to weed people out.
An average EMRE engineer at EMHC will retire at around CL 28.
Engineers on track to a final level of 25-26 usually leave before retirement.
Only the chiefs and a few select others are at 30+.
Numbers in the plants are a bit lower because they are still in local roles.
For reference, Department Heads are 27-29, Div Mgrs 30-33.
Senior engineers and DH are at about the same level.
Chiefs and Div Mgrs are at about the same level.
Only a few percent of the company make executive ranks (cl 30+-think 3-4%). I haven’t really heard of someone making executive by 30, maybe by late 30s. Around 20% will make it to senior manager (cL 28-29). Rest will top out at cl 27.
The better question is what is expected of these levels and are you willing to take on the responsibility? Executives are expected to set long term strategy and guide their business teams to top industry performance, with their peer set being top talent as well…all competing with each other for position and advancement. Senior managers are expected to organize their work teams to execute plans which achieve those strategies on a large scale. Again….very high competition in this group too, as they are typically the stand outs from individual contributors who are skilled in team leadership and driving priorities.
Approximately 30% of the people we hire make it to Exec. levels...30% quit/resign/PIP...about 40% range in the CL26 to CL29.
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Everybody plays a part in a healthy organization, from the people who get their hands dirty to the Professional and Technical and also the Management - the latter if they do something useful, which is mostly not the case at EM.
It makes no sense for any of these groups to look down at another or to have a chip on the shoulder about what others think about them.
If the M wants to get rid of the P&T, they will simply run the company into the ground and we will all be out of a job. Nothing to be happy about here.
Well said. Why would they do this during pips? Sounds like another masked layoff tool to me.
I’m guessing 27
They announced cl levels will be raised at the sites. D-mbazzes we’re all fired up. Since they hire the best and brightest I began thinking why. Wait a minute, so that allows Emre folks with higher cl’s an opportunity to come to the site and replace the mutts that have been keeping it running. Second thought. Higher cl is tougher to survive. So now it’s easier to pip the legacy higher paid engineers. I’ve never seen so many folks get so excited about a grenade that was thrown into a bunch of engineers. I know I should be happy but at this point I really don’t trust anything here anymore. Especially when our boss is smiling in her sadistic black widow web. In summary a cl bump could be you’re worst nightmare. Who wins in this scenario? A self preserving manager or the engineer that works like a dog and deals with all the cr-p from the manager? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Good to see so much interest in the MPT levels crowding each other out.
Management - Professional - Technical.
I happen to be in the lower 'grunt' category. I guess an 'Enlisted' person vs. an 'Officer' person. I actually get my hands dirty for the company (though NOT my soul.).
All youse/ya'lls MPTs - you realize only the 'M's count right?
They are the only ones that count.
They count the money and they count the days until they can eliminate all of you smart Professionals and Technicals. In the US.
It's simply business.
As it was very well said in the previous post, currently for Geoscience the max for people doing only real technical work (100% hands-on) is CL29. Anything above requires to have had at least at some time during the career a “leadership” position - supervisor or (maybe) at least team lead.
I know a very large number of highly experienced but unlucky Geoscientists who retired in the last 6-7 years at CL28. Surprisingly, I’ve seen cases of individual contributors promoted to CL29 during the pandemic, but it turns out it’s mainly in order to pad the bottom of the CL, so the young supervisors and managers who usually populate this CL wouldn’t be in danger of falling to the bottom (we wouldn’t want the company to loose the amazing value that they represent !)
What I'm thinking, OP, when I hear 30 at 30.
I'm thinking you are doing a little gig work at maybe 50 bucks for 16 hours.
That adds up to 66 - far above the 30-30, which is only 60.
Gotta feed the family. Have mercy on them.
I know the OP was asking about GP and EMRE but let share the evolution of final technical CL level for Upstream geoscience so you can see the evolution through time and commodity cycles. When I started late 80s most geos on technical track topped out at CL 27. CL 28 was an individual contributor and there were only so many per org/division so you had to wait for someone to retire to get CL 28. That changed in 1998 with all the attrition between 95 and 97 the CL 28 level was no longer IC and limited to just a few. CL 29 became the new highest technical CL and IC level with only a few per org/division. Fast forward to 2007 and the uptick in industry and the desire to keep the new 120+ geo hires a year thinking they had a future on the technical track the STC positions with a CL30 were created and CL29 was no longer limited amount. Sounds like we are seeing a shift again with CL levels for geos this time downwards so unfortunately for geos in this case the past is not a key to the present! Hope this helps!
It probably depends on which country. In Singapore 70% don’t make it past CL 26. We start lower than the US, campus hires start at CL 22
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I don't favor topping off.
It wastes fuel and bad for the environment.
It all depends what your starting point is. Your age, degree and where it is from. Some ew hires start at CL 25 and some at 20. I would say 5 to 6 CL bumps on avg from where you started unless you are deemed a high flier
I’m guessing 27
They announced cl levels will be raised at the sites. D-mbazzes we’re all fired up. Since they hire the best and brightest I began thinking why. Wait a minute, so that allows Emre folks with higher cl’s an opportunity to come to the site and replace the mutts that have been keeping it running. Second thought. Higher cl is tougher to survive. So now it’s easier to pip the legacy higher paid engineers. I’ve never seen so many folks get so excited about a grenade that was thrown into a bunch of engineers. I know I should be happy but at this point I really don’t trust anything here anymore. Especially when our boss is smiling in her sadistic black widow web. In summary a cl bump could be you’re worst nightmare. Who wins in this scenario? A self preserving manager or the engineer that works like a dog and deals with all the cr-p from the manager? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Average MPT career final CL is 26.
CL 27