People here seem to think that hard work increases their chances of getting a promotion and that could not be more wrong. This is a company with a lot of mediocre (at best) managers who see anybody who works hard and knows what they're doing as a threat. As such they're going to make sure they keep you right where you are so you wouldn't represent a threat to them down the line. If you want a promotion, do mediocre work and make friends with somebody in the management. In other words, work smart instead of hard.
18 replies (most recent on top)
To all newbies here, this is not a company owned site and it is anonymous, but it’s also moderated. They have few basic rules, but if mods catch you breaking it, they nuke your post and sometimes ban your IP from posting any further (can try overriding it by using VPN).
Can check the full list of rules in the footer, it comes down to this:
- no foul language
- no politics
- no religion/race/ethnicity talk
- no asking for votes (of any kind - political, union, etc)
- no threats & violence, bullying, slandering
- no personal names (ok to name c-suits as they ar public figures, not ok to name a middle manager or an employee), no personal info of any kind (regardless of one’s position)
What coworker didn’t I stand up for?
Your post doesn’t make sense skip.
To the person who wrote this. I totally agree with where you are coming from. Buy don’t forget that some people exist, who would adopt an alternative way to move up the ladder. That which is to frenchkiss your managers A$$.
I can’t say that I have taken that path myself, and for that reason, the majority of us plainly see the exact same problem with management, that you have described.
Your writing resonates. Words of wisdom have never before been.
Apparently the Brown lipstick is where it’s at these days.
Beware of managers who speak out both sides.
Just saying
Don't wear the brown lipstick and put on the red light. You owe it to yourself to do better than that. The market is better than you think.
The OP may be right on, especially IT group.
If your manager is that bad, my suggestion is find another company. Find somewhere you will be appreciated. Don't waste time recording your managers conversations. Focus on updating your resume. I am certain there is a better manager out there for you. I honestly believe that you deserve better.
I worked with a young lady who was essentially getting betrayed by her manager in staff meetings. We were appalled by the manager who treated her so poorly, and she didn't say anything.
She was a coworker that I looked up to, and I did approach her and with empathy, I asked her about the situation. She told me something that I will never forget. Something of great wisdom. Something of a mantra that I now live by.
She said, "I don't have to put up with that sh-t". And she went to HR and let the ba----d have it. Then she transferred to another group and eventually left the company. But anytime some manager gives me cr-p, I tell him that story, and he knows what I'm talking about. No manager gives me sh-t anymore, cuz I don't have to put up with that sh-t anymore.
The original poster is right. As an executive, it’s lonely near the top. If you can find a friend, you’re good.
If your mentor is smart they will also have someone above them in which they clutch onto.
And all the way to the top of the pyramid. In such a manner as if your mentor leaves, you can easily slide right in.
This is what management means when they say work smarter not harder.
You cannot change the past, but you can change the future. That's why I left this company.
We made a lot of friends along the way and it's always bittersweet, but in the end you owe it to yourself to do what's best for your family.
If someone offers you a chance at a better lifestyle with more money and stock options that are worth putting your sweat into.
Then go for it. I did.
If this company had a ladder, it would be more like an escape ladder 🪜, given how many people have left in the last few years.
CS is a lot of things but it is not a discriminatory environment. There are definitely bad seeds but every place has them. CS is a kiss a$$ environment but I have never witnessed nor heard of anything similar to what this person is describing in the many years there. I would certainly question the validity of the stmt and I hate the place and left on my own.
All we are learning is how to make it down the ladder
Wow, this post hits it right on the head.
Also, don’t be afraid to throw in some sexist, racist or homophobic tendencies. On my first day, within my first couple of hours working here, my skip level manager was talking to me about a le----n coworker who just had a son (the son was in the NICU very sick!!!) and was asking me if I thought that was cruel that this woman and her female spouse would choose to have and raise a boy (meanwhile my coworkers were trying to do things like bring this family dinners each night). The manager reiterated multiple times that “a boy needs a male role model.” My skip level was feeling me out to make sure I had the same ideologies and I failed that test miserably and have never recovered. Skip level also says things like homogenous environments are more productive, man did I mess up responding “you can’t say that!” (FYI homogenous environment is code for white supremacy). Needless to say this is a VP in a department that is meant to watch out for and lead training to stop these type of comments that can put the company at risk. This VP barely works, admits to not checking email, takes credit for other’s work, has cursed me out, accused me of recoding our convos (even though I’d never do that!) all because he knows if he got caught he’d get fried (well maybe, we all know HR is not here to protect us) and he holds me down by giving me poor reviews as a way to scapegoat me as a bad employee should I ever speak up. It’s completely calculated, in addition to the gaslighting I see right through (dude is not smart, so anyone can see right through it). This individual offers no positive value for the company, this VP probably costs the company $$$ because of laziness, unresponsiveness and focus solely on self promotion. I really need to find a new job and so do you!
I’ve seen multiple people go from analyst to director in a matter of 2-3 years bc of the brown lipstick they wore. They were nothing more then professional report checker wearing tight sweaters mixing drinks or carrying luggage and highly dependent on everyone else to cover for them so they can regurgitate the correct answer. For some of recent, Revlon stopped carrying their shade of brown. Lol. Others, karma will come for you too.
I actually shouted "HE-L YES!" when I read this. Could not be more accurate.
Specially true in the IT department!!!