Thread regarding Fiserv Inc. layoffs

I know of 15 people, who work remote across the US that were terminated via an email because they were un-vax’d. It’s reAl and wonder what the true nbr is.

US Supreme Court just said it was unconstitutional: https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-halts-covid-19-193050385.html

As JPM goes so goes Fiserv..

J.P. Morgan’s CEO Jamie Dimon has issued a warning to the vaccine holdouts amongst its staff in NY.

“To go to the office you have to be vaxxed and if you aren’t going to get vaxxed you won’t be able to work in that office,” Dimon said Monday in an interview on CNBC. “And we’re not going to pay you not to work in the office.”

Interesting document drop from DARPA. If this is true (and who knows, it could be complete fiction) then the whole vax zeitgeist is about to be turned upside down. Like the old saying goes, "May you live in interesting times".

https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdf

https://truth11.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/vaccine-notice-of-liability-for-employer-.pdf

"Time-out. You are telling me I am spending $150 of Frank's money every time someone at Fiserv gets jabbed? Now that is a good reason to get vaccinated!"

Win win. You get to spend Franks money and he avoids unnecessary $250,000 Covid ICU stays.

@3ssm+1eEjlhAp

Time-out.

You are telling me I am spending $150 of Frank's money every time someone at Fiserv gets jabbed?

Now that is a good reason to get vaccinated!

The people who are shrieking about jabs and government handouts are the same id--ts who are destroying our hospitals while begging for a vaccine when it's too late from the healthcare workers they demonized. You people aren't patriots, you are selfish and disgusting.

"More and more variants, less effective original vaccine. More shots will come over and over, when will it end and pharma get all its $. It’s an endemic and will never stop. Over this sh-t and free rides pu----s use to get government funding."

Such a petty and uninformed position. Lets review some basic facts

The unvaccinated are

• unnecessarily dying at a rate 14 times higher than the unvaccinated
• unnecessarily flooding the ICUs at rates 700 percent higher than the unvaccinated
• unnecessarily costing employers and the government over $50 Billion to date in unnecessary hospital costs
• two to three more times likely to infect others
• far less likely to wear surgical and KN95 masks which greatly slow the spread of viruses from one person to another

1. The severity of Covid illness is significantly mitigated by the vaccine. That is why 90%+ of those in the ICU and that are dying from Covid are unvaccinated TODAY,

2. Covid shots, like flu shots, will evolve to adapt to mutations. Unlike the flu however, 825,000 Americans have died in the last 18 months from Covid which was the second largest reason of death of Americans in 2021and the most expensive national healt care cost.

3. The "Big Pharma" diatribe is rather childish. You would rather pay $250,000 for an unnecessary hospital stay and face face death at 800 percent higher risk rather than get $150 Covid shot WHICH YOUR EMPLOYER PAYS FOR. Then you would compalin about "Big Hospitals".

Look, obviously you are angry (you are swearing profusely) is clouding your critical thinking ability. Take a time out.

And why are you angry? You actually have the freedom to not get vaccinated. You just have to be man enough to accept the consequences of that decision.

More and more variants, less effective original vaccine. More shots will come over and over, when will it end and pharma get all its $. It’s an endemic and will never stop. Over this sh-t and free rides pu----s use to get government funding.

"Vaccine works for original COVID, won’t help the new variants and those are very minor...a cold! You gonna get vaccinated every 3 months now and constantly like in fear?"

First, there will be many more variants. You folks who hang onto we are powerless against Omicron obviously do not understand viruses and their mutations. There will be multiple new mutations, and the vaccine will likely work better against them

Additionally. Omicron is not the only variation around. It isnt like Delta and its predecessors simply walked away and retired.

Second. The quoted statement is largely a mistruth. Please review the following to see that the vaccines still help to some degree in the resistance of the contraction of the disease but MOST IMPORTANTLY they reduce expensive hospital admissions and death from those that contract it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/omicron-variant.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/01/07/covid-boosters-pfizer-moderna-omicron/9123578002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/health/omicron-vaccines-efficacy.html

A quick look at data posted by multiple governments confirms that the vaccines are highly effective again severe disease. Stop consuming misinformation from right wing cess pools.

Vaccine works for original COVID, won’t help the new variants and those are very minor...a cold! You gonna get vaccinated every 3 months now and constantly like in fear? #sheep

Listen people….if they want to keep you, they will. If they don’t, they won’t. Vaccine status, remote status….they will find a reason to do one or the other.

'What is the next invasion of privacy going to be? What if they started testing for dr-gs as a condition of employment? Can you imagine the outrage people would have of being tested for dr-gs just to be able to work for Fiserv?"

Umm, this is common practice at most employers. Sorry.

"I WFH 100% and I got fired via email. Just wait until the lawsuit."

Don't waste your money. You likely work in a "at will" state so your employer doesnt even need a reason to fire you. Gotta love it when companies ki-l unions and then get state legislatures to pass laws that favor them.

To the person who sees evil in the vaccines

The unvaccinated are

• unnecessarily dying at a rate 14 times higher than the unvaccinated
• unnecessarily flooding the ICUs at rates 700 percent higher than the unvaccinated
• unnecessarily costing employers and the government over $50 Billion to date in unnecessary hospital costs
• two to three more times likely to infect others
• far less likely to wear surgical and KN95 masks which greatly slow the spread of viruses from one person to another

9 BILLION global and 500 MILLION American vaccinations over 18 months have been administered. Come on. Lets drop the "experimental charade already.

825,000 dead Americans from Covid, with 90% of new deaths totally avoidable. Covid was the SECOND argst ki---r of Americans in 2021.

Look, you are not required to get vaccinated by American law. By state law, most companies can fire you at will including not being vaccinated and costing the nation unnecessary BILLIONS.

Freedom is for everyone, not just you. Your choices have consequences.

BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL No 7070 Volume 313: Page 1448, 7 December 1996.
Introduction
The judgment by the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg laid down 10 standards to which physicians must conform when carrying out experiments on human subjects in a new code that is now accepted worldwide.
This judgment established a new standard of ethical medical behaviour for the post World War II human rights era. Amongst other requirements, this document enunciates the requirement of voluntary informed consent of the human subject. The principle of voluntary informed consent protects the right of the individual to control his own body.
This code also recognizes that the risk must be weighed against the expected benefit, and that unnecessary pain and suffering must be avoided.
This code recognizes that doctors should avoid actions that injure human patients.
The principles established by this code for medical practice now have been extended into general codes of medical ethics.
The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is

a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. Theexperimentshouldbesodesignedandbasedontheresultsofanimal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. Theexperimentshouldbeconductedonlybyscientificallyqualifiedpersons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. Duringthecourseoftheexperimentthehumansubjectshouldbeatlibertyto bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial

@1jdb+1eEjlhAp I won't hold my breath.

Odd my exemption was approved I have no idea why, I think they are choosing who they want to keep.

I WFH 100% and I got fired via email. Just wait until the lawsuit.

I also know someone that got fired yesterday

Yep, the states have the authority to enforce L-A-W. Here is a blurb from what I found:

"The U.S. Supreme Court, in an opinion by Justice John Marshall Harlan I, ruled that the state of Massachusetts acted constitutionally within its police powers to pass a law to protect the health and safety of the public."

Tell me again, which law was passed that mandated the COVID-19 vaccinations? What was the congressional record? Who voted for and against said law?

I'll wait.

"Guess what? You can't. Because those laws and legal decisions don't exist. Kinda hard to break federal laws that don't exist, amirite?"

1905 Jacobson v. Massachusetts the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the states' authority to enforce compulsory vaccination laws and the court reaffirmed that decision in a 1922.

There is past precedent of vaccine mandates to support public safety. Beyond that, private employers have a lot of flexibility on what they mandate as a condition of employment. As long as it doesn't violate Title VII and ADA and also allows medical and religious exemptions, an employer can mandate. In fact, before there was even a government directive, many employers chose to institute mandates and continue to support. This is not unique to Fiserv and is well within the laws.

People who choose to not comply with any of their companies directives can find employment elsewhere. Not getting vaccinated will only limit the opportunities elsewhere but not eliminate them. Several people I know have elected to not comply and found jobs before they were let go.

It happened, people received letters that they will be terminated by COB yesterday for non-compliance. Many caved and got the jab last minute. The rest are gone as of today.

On Tuesday, Jan 4th, I received notice of termination, effective COB, at approximately 12:45 EST via Email from the corporate communications account. It is indeed real.

"Fiserv is a federal contractor and is legally required to test for dr-gs as a condition of employment. I didn't hear any complains about federal regulations in relation to Dr-g-free Workplace Act of 1988. Maybe you all have been with Fiserv for at least 35 years."

So, let me offer come clarity. The tests are for substances that are illegal at the federal level. So you use he---n, that's a schedule 1 dr-g. Bad news!

Now tell me which federal law dictates you must have the vaccine. Please list the specific statute. Also, please state the criminal and/or civil proceedings involved in the judicial review of said law.

Guess what? You can't. Because those laws and legal decisions don't exist. Kinda hard to break federal laws that don't exist, amirite?

What is the next invasion of privacy going to be? What if they started testing for dr-gs as a condition of employment? Can you imagine the outrage people would have of being tested for dr-gs just to be able to work for Fiserv? There would be riots! What are they going to do? Require everyone to provide a sample of their p-e? Collecting p-e is such an invasion of privacy. What are they even doing with the p-e? They won't tell you what happens with the p-e. What if they use it to make snow cones? Those don't even taste like lemon! I would know. Doing lines of co----e and me-h is such a personal decision. What I do on my own time shouldn't bother anyone else. If you don't want co----e then don't snort it. Having all that extra energy makes me a better worker. They should want me to do co----e. There is no reason why a company would ever need to test the employees for dr-gs. And if they do, they shouldn't need to test for co----e or me-h. Those dr-gs have a 99.9% survival rate therefore they are completely safe.

Fiserv is a federal contractor and is legally required to test for dr-gs as a condition of employment. I didn't hear any complains about federal regulations in relation to Dr-g-free Workplace Act of 1988. Maybe you all have been with Fiserv for at least 35 years.

Yes. Some people were instantly terminated at the end of Jan 4, '22.

"To the id--t with the baby example, putting a vaccine in the same category doesn't even make sense.

I think getting rid of the unvaxxed will be a great step forward for this company. A whole lotta d-mb goes out the door at once."

To any neutral bystanders, look at the tone of the replies here. One group of people - the pro-mandate, corporate cheerleaders - are wallowing in ad-hominem attacks and nothing else. No argument, no evidence, just name-calling. Pretty interesting, isn't it?

Tells you all you need to know it seems to me.

True to form, Fiserv snuck in some last-minute exceptions. I know of at least two individuals who have no plans to get vaccinated and yet made it past the mandate due to special treatment. Nice one, Frank.

To the id--t with the baby example, putting a vaccine in the same category doesn't even make sense.

I think getting rid of the unvaxxed will be a great step forward for this company. A whole lotta d-mb goes out the door at once.

@dfm+1eEjlhAp

You do have a choice. You have the choice to be a du----s and not get the vaccine. You also have to deal with the consequences of that action.

It's totally your choice to get or not get the vaccine but, if you knew that you were going to be fired specifically for that, why not just get another job before you get fired and save yourself all the trouble

"A company can indeed tell you what to do or not do in certain aspects of your life outside of work, and getting vaccinated is one of them."

Now, this is an interesting statement. Let's say a company wanted to curtal its healthcare costs. So it told it female employees they had to get IUD's or be on birth control since having a baby is JUST. SO. EXPENSIVE.

Would that fly or not? It uses the same logic.

Firing via email. That I as rich as the CEO that fired people over a zoom meeting recently.

A company can indeed tell you what to do or not do in certain aspects of your life outside of work, and getting vaccinated is one of them.

They are conditions of continued employment. The company does not owe you a job. It's their gig and they can set the conditions for it.

It is not only this company and not only about vax.

Yes, it did happen. They Terminated people via a Corporate Email.

The reason to stay instead of finding another job is to stand up for what is right.

If a Corporation is allowed to tell you what to do with your life outside of your job, where does there power to control you stop?

What else can they force you to do to keep your job?

I think you should get the vaxx but if you don't and you knew you were getting fired on some day in the future, why wouldn't you just go get another job

I know of several who got fired and others who relented and begged for a bit more time to get their vaccines. Not sure of the outcome of that.

But, yeah, looks like happened.

I know someone who got fired